Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,787 Year: 4,044/9,624 Month: 915/974 Week: 242/286 Day: 3/46 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Why Atheists don't believe
NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 11 of 310 (311045)
05-11-2006 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-11-2006 8:24 AM


1. I didn't think about it much at all until after I knew some history and psychology. In that context it seemed obvious where the ideas came from and just how meaningful they were. There may have been a period of time where I could have been called agnostic (but it was more likely a "never-crossed-my-mindist".
The step to atheism is a "leap of faith" in that there is no evidence that can prove it is correct. It is just where all the evidence that does exist points to.
2. Someone else said it: sure, it isn't possible or worthwhile to try to find evidence for everything -- it takes way too much time. However, what I do feel I 'know' offers a framework and what fits gets accepted with less evidence and what doesn't requires more. I'm also aware of a HUGE amount of "I don't knows".
I do deliberately (perhaps perversly?) decide to believe things for which there may be no evidence and may be evidence to the contrary. Things like: people are basically nice and honest; good guys win in the end; there is always hope...
I also believe some things as useful, but unprovable axioms: there is a 'real world' out there to learn about; it does now and always will behave in a comprehensible (if not constant) way.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by riVeRraT, posted 05-11-2006 8:24 AM riVeRraT has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by GDR, posted 05-12-2006 10:42 AM NosyNed has not replied

NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 118 of 310 (312547)
05-16-2006 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by jar
05-16-2006 5:36 PM


Most? Crhristians
If you look at the image that most Christians show to the world it is one of small minded, very ignorant, intolerant, bigoted, exclusionary, uneducated, inconsiderate, opinionated fools.
Personally, I disagree with this statement. It is the LOUDEST so-called Christians who so show to the world but not, in my opinion, the majority.
It seems the web as a whole and, perhaps in microcosm this site, that seems to bring out the worst sort of Christians disproportionately to their actual numbers. My daughter rarely frequents this site but there are enough examples of the kind of s-m,v i, i, b, e, u, i, o fools that you speak of on sites she does frequent to have her making some very derogatory comments about Christians in general. I have to remind her that her sample may be badly biased.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 117 by jar, posted 05-16-2006 5:36 PM jar has not replied

NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 136 of 310 (312606)
05-16-2006 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by iano
05-16-2006 9:12 PM


Q and the like
Q is no more or less reasonable than any other omnipotent being that is conjectured by humans.
You are right, we don't KNOW anything about something for which there is nothing that CAN be known (by definition it seems). As many have noted: we see numerous individuals touting one or another higher form of sentience we see them as interesting as a sociological study they are otherwise uninteresting.
Though I find the Egyptian pantheon a bit more interesting.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 135 by iano, posted 05-16-2006 9:12 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 137 by iano, posted 05-16-2006 9:29 PM NosyNed has not replied

NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 280 of 310 (314322)
05-22-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by riVeRraT
05-22-2006 9:30 AM


Re: Just not true.
* I take many things on faith and my previous experience in that context and with that person.
* The more complex and important an issue to me the more likely I am going to search out addition evidence or information.
Those 2 statements conflict with each other.
Why do you need addtional evidence if you already take it on faith?
Maybe it is because you really don't believe it 100%.
RR, you need to read more carefully. It is obvious what he is saying (or should be). More so when you read what many others have said.
Thinking that the 2 statements are contradictory reflects a non-black and white approach. They are not contradictory at all. He may take one thing totally on trust (we should define terms more carefully) based on how important it is or the context or the source person. He may be utterly sceptical of something else based on the same things. He may also take something as pretty sure but do a bit of checking for other things.
He is saying very clearly with those statements that he doesn't believe many, many things 100% but believes them well enough to act as it they are 100%.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 278 by riVeRraT, posted 05-22-2006 9:30 AM riVeRraT has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024