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Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 84 (177308)
01-15-2005 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
01-15-2005 1:14 AM


Re: Subjective Morality
Biblical morality is subjective to the Ten Commandments. Fundamentalistic Biblical morality, foundational on the Ten Commandments, seems to be what works best, when you look around the world and look at history.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 5 of 84 (177309)
01-15-2005 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
01-15-2005 4:29 PM


Re: Free Will
1. Free will, unsubjected to the Biblical Ten Commandments tends towards anarchy, bloodshed, poverty and destruction. History attests to that.
2. Free agents are free as to whether to subject themselves to the Ten Commandments.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-15-2005 17:17 AM

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 84 (177601)
01-16-2005 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
01-15-2005 6:21 PM


Re: Subjective Morality
heh. exactly the sort of closed minded approach that is not able to change according to need as I noted.
tell me again how the ten commandments say it is immoral to abuse children?
The first four commandments establish your allegience to the Biblical god, Jehovah and his book. If you get established into his precepts you will not abuse your child, your dog, your or anything of yours. Neither will you abuse or missuse anything of your neighbor's. You might eat your cow, but while it's living under your care, you will treat it humanely.
The last six have to do with your treatment and how you relate to others, including your parents. If you follow these along with the 1st four relating to your god, you will treat others as you would have them treat you.
Jesus alluded to this in teaching that we love God with all our hearts, souls and minds and that we love others as we love ourselves. All the commandments are implicated in this statement of Jesus.
history has shown? sorry, history has refuted. the "history" of religious imposed morality has been one of repression.
history has shown that morallity is rationally derived from first principals and must be universal and not subject to bias or personal beliefs to be valid.
That's not the case with most free and blessed nations historically and today. In these nations, first principles were not rationalized independent of the Bible. They were Biblically inspired.
It is subjective in the sense that each person derives their own version, whether they base it on real principles or borrow it from some other source: they decide what they are going to live by.
It is not subjective in the sense that there are fundamental principles that apply and that can be logically derived.
Mmmm hmmm. Mohammed's version, Hitler's version, Mao's version, Stalin's version, Jim Jones's version, paganism's versions, such as Caesar's, Nero's, primitive pagan versions, Hindu versions, and even the rational of the popes and bishops of the inquisitions, rational which ignored their very own book, the Bible in which were those Ten Commandments. Take a good look at the history of the cultures and nations which suffered and still suffer under these rationals.
I'll take anarchy over theocracy any day of the week and twice on sunday.
I wouldn't know. I've never lived under a theocracy and hope I never will until rightious Jesus, king of kings and lord of lords sets up the perfect one.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 84 (180333)
01-24-2005 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
01-15-2005 6:12 PM


Re: Subjective Morality
Would those be the Exodus 20/Rudy Roy Moore set or the Exodus 34/Ark of the Covenant set?
Heh. Make it the latter one, in tact. I've insulated myself from stuff like Moore's to the point that I had to google him to learn who he was. It appears from the text that he might've fit in with some stuff going on which irritated Moses to the point of busting up the first ones.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 84 (180334)
01-24-2005 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by nator
01-17-2005 3:18 PM


Re: Subjective Morality
Don't forget your slaves, buz.
The Bible has rules about how much your slaves are worth and how you should treat them.
Yes, slavery was tolerated by God, wasn't it? And since God tolerated it, they were to be well treated. Slavery was tolerated by nearly all cultures that I am aware of in those days. Those protected by the tennants of the 10 Commandments likely faired the best of all, certainly better than the Egyptians when God allowed the Jews to be enslaved by Egypt. As slaves, they were terribly oppressed in Egypt.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 62 of 84 (180339)
01-24-2005 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Rrhain
01-16-2005 9:37 PM


Re: Subjective Morality
[qs]You certainly can't mean the US because the US is not based upon the Ten Commandments. The first four are all about worshipping god and the First Amendment trumps that.[qs] Put it this way......highly influenced by. Every kid in US schools was indoctrinated in public schools by the Ten Commandments for at least nearly two centuries. Most in our early schools likely had them all memorized. For a century or so, every kid in school began their first year of school with the New England Primer, a totally Biblical book.
The other six are routinely broken by the government and the populace without consequence.
This has escalated considerably in the last half century coinciding with the decline in popularity and promenance of the TC.

In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

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