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Mister Pamboli
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Message 82 of 108 (902)
12-18-2001 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by redstang281
12-18-2001 7:28 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
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But if you want to look at it another way the Lord can see into the future so he knows what we're going to do in our life. However, because he knows what we're going to do, doesn't mean he makes us do it.
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I'm sorry redstang, but this is specious nonsense. God, in the common Christian sense, is an infinite being of infinite knowledge. He doesn't "see into" our future from any point in time, but must see our entire history and all history as one.
In other words, in the very act of creation you so passionately invoke, he knows, he understands, all the outcomes of all actions that will ever take place.
He creates the hijacker, knowing he will crash the plane. The hijacker may be free to choose his path, but God knows from the moment of creation, what path he will choose.
If I let my father-in-law drive his car home while drunk (a purely fictitious example, you understand) then there must be a sense in which I am culpable, if I think he MAY injure someone. If I let him, knowing in all certainty, that he will injure someone, then I am culpable indeed.
But God's example is even worse - he doesn't just LET the drunk drive, he lets the car and the drink be invented, knowing the consequences; he lets the pedestrian walk in harms way, knowing the consequences.
And from the moment of creation - or as you would oxymoronically put it - from "before" the moment of creation, he has the power to make it not so.
Worship such a being? Rage against him is the only rational response.

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Mister Pamboli
Member (Idle past 7577 days)
Posts: 634
From: Washington, USA
Joined: 12-10-2001


Message 83 of 108 (903)
12-18-2001 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by redstang281
12-18-2001 7:37 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
[b] Our sin has brought the evil into the world. God allows evil to punish us for our sins.
[/QUOTE]
Circular argument. Sin is presumably an evil.

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