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ringo
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Message 256 of 327 (442156)
12-20-2007 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 10:34 AM


This is typical behaviour for you, CS. You're too quick on the draw. You jump into a topic without thinking about it and blaze away in all directions. When you run out of ammunition, which is soon, you throw your guns, throw a tantrum and run away.
Stay cool.
Pick your targets. If you can't hit 'em, swearing at 'em won't kill 'em either.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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Message 257 of 327 (442158)
12-20-2007 10:55 AM
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12-20-2007 10:51 AM


You're too quick on the draw. You jump into a topic without thinking about it and blaze away in all directions.
I realy only had one point to make.
I end up blazing away in all directions because my opponents always tie a bunch of extra crap to what I'm actually saying.
They attach positions to mine that I haven't taken and them I'm defending myself against taking those positions, to which they add more and it snowballs.
It seems you can't make a point without someone putting other words into your mouth.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 258 of 327 (442159)
12-20-2007 11:00 AM
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12-20-2007 10:55 AM


I realy only had one point to make.
and what was that? that making safe medical procedures illegal won't prevent women from stabbing at themselves with coathangers? do you even begin to understand the kind of desperation it would take to do that? do you even begin to understand that maybe, just maybe, this is the best decision for some women? do you think that maybe they're so desperate because they really are making the right decision and you seeking to prevent them from being able to do so in a way that won't leave them bleeding to death on the floor is just malicious?
why do you think you're better at making this decision than they are?
why don't you see that that's what you're saying? that to support the criminalization of abortion means that you think you know better than they do?
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 259 of 327 (442162)
12-20-2007 11:03 AM
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12-20-2007 11:00 AM


I realy only had one point to make.
and what was that?
That criminalizing abortion doesn't force birth.
that to support the criminalization of abortion means that you think you know better than they do?
Now I know for sure you can't read because I said that abortion should not be criminalized.

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Message 260 of 327 (442174)
12-20-2007 12:32 PM
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12-20-2007 11:03 AM


That criminalizing abortion doesn't force birth.
and yet it does. you know. unless you get to peer into every woman's bedroom to make sure they're not having sex.
I said that abortion should not be criminalized.
where?
and, okay. now, was that really worth all that nasty name-calling?

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molbiogirl
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Message 261 of 327 (442183)
12-20-2007 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 11:03 AM


Rape and Forced Birth
CS, let's sidestep the responsibility issue for a moment, shall we?
What of a woman who is impregnated by her rapist?
Is she required to carry it to term?

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Message 262 of 327 (442184)
12-20-2007 2:05 PM
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12-20-2007 2:01 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
CS, let's sidestep the responsibility issue for a moment, shall we?
I'm sorry but, what is the responsibility issue?
What of a woman who is impregnated by her rapist?
Is she required to carry it to term?
What do you mean? Abortion is legal so she is not required to carry it to term. Rape has nothing to do wiht it.
What are you asking?

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molbiogirl
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Message 263 of 327 (442192)
12-20-2007 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 2:05 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If I understand your position correctly, a woman can choose to not have sex.
Should she choose to have sex, then any pregnancy is her fault/responsibility.
Furthermore, were abortion made illegal, a woman with an unintended, unwanted pregnancy would have 2 choices:
1. Break the law and obtain an illegal abortion (self induced or backalley).
2. Carry the pregnancy to term.
My question to you remains:
If a woman were impregnated by her rapist, should she be compelled to carry it to term?

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Message 264 of 327 (442196)
12-20-2007 2:46 PM
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12-20-2007 2:27 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If a woman were impregnated by her rapist, should she be compelled to carry it to term?
If I say no then I'll be accused of wanting to punish sluts, which I don't care to do.
But, no.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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molbiogirl
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Message 265 of 327 (442200)
12-20-2007 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 2:46 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If I say no then I'll be accused of wanting to punish sluts, which I don't care to do.
But, no.
If you say "no", then a woman who has been impregnated by her rapist has the right to abort.
How is this "punishing sluts"?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 266 of 327 (442204)
12-20-2007 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by molbiogirl
12-20-2007 3:18 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If you say "no", then a woman who has been impregnated by her rapist has the right to abort.
How is this "punishing sluts"?
If you assume that the answer would be "yes" if she wasn't raped.

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molbiogirl
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Message 267 of 327 (442209)
12-20-2007 3:32 PM
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12-20-2007 3:27 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If you assume that the answer would be "yes" if she wasn't raped.
OK.
If a woman is not raped, she does not have the right to abort.
If a woman is raped, she has the right to abort.
Is that a fair summary?
And if that is the case, your only problem with abortion is the one of "responsibility", is that correct?
You haven't any problem with "killing The Precious Baby™"?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 268 of 327 (442210)
12-20-2007 3:32 PM
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12-20-2007 3:27 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
well, is it?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 269 of 327 (442216)
12-20-2007 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by molbiogirl
12-20-2007 3:32 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
If a woman is not raped, she does not have the right to abort.
No. Again, I'm not advocating that women be prevented from having abortions.
However, I do think it is morally wrong.
On the side, I don't see aborton as a medical procedure as a "right". Its more of a convenience.
If a woman is raped, she has the right to abort.
I think it is less morally wrong if she is raped, because she was forced to be pregnant, it was not her "fault", so to speak.
And if that is the case, your only problem with abortion is the one of "responsibility", is that correct?
No. The problem is that you're murdering your own child. Its sociopathic and disgusting.
If our society wants it outlawed, then so be it. That won't force women to give birth, it will, though, make them need to be extra careful with the sex they are having sex.
If you don't have a choice with the sex, then there should be another way out of it.
It seems that people want to not have to be extra careful with the sex they are having, so they need something to fall back on when their irresposibility backfires.
Its a lot harder to be responsible in the first place, so a post hoc solution to the problem is appealing.
If our society wants it legal, then that's fine too. I won't ever have to get an abortion.

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Message 270 of 327 (442218)
12-20-2007 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by macaroniandcheese
12-20-2007 3:32 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
Being required to take responsibility for your actions is not being punished.

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