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molbiogirl
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Message 271 of 327 (442223)
12-20-2007 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 3:52 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
No. The problem is that you're murdering your own child. Its sociopathic and disgusting.
Let's focus on this for a minute.
You consider a zygote a "child"?
Why?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 272 of 327 (442234)
12-20-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 3:53 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
how is going to the doctor and paying for a medical procedure not taking responsibility for my actions?
why do you want children to be a "consequence" of "irresponsibility"? do you think that results in loving parents and healthy homes for these children?

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Message 273 of 327 (442240)
12-20-2007 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by molbiogirl
12-20-2007 4:02 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
You consider a zygote a "child"?
Why?
Heh, I looked it up in my gut

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 274 of 327 (442241)
12-20-2007 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 3:52 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
It seems that people want to not have to be extra careful with the sex they are having, so they need something to fall back on when their irresposibility backfires.
more than half of women who have abortions were using birth control methods when they conceived. and those who weren't, about 30% of them were at low risk because they were breast-feeding, or some other thing. there are lots of natural things that reduce your fertility. for example, i have a friend who has epilepsy and her medications are supposed to sterilize her. they failed to do so, despite her not having a cycle in some long period of time. she had been on the pill but it was making her ill and she was in the process of changing methods. she was supposed to be sterile. was she being irresponsible?
now. linear ag thinks he has a right to judge whether they were all using them properly or not, but his statistics didn't bear it out. so. what evidence do you have that women are being irresponsible?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 275 of 327 (442243)
12-20-2007 4:20 PM
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12-20-2007 4:12 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
ugh, there's your reading problem acting up again.
By being held responsible, I meant not having an abortion.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 276 of 327 (442245)
12-20-2007 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 4:20 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
By being held responsible, I meant not having an abortion.
not having an abortion means she'll have a child.
why do you want children to be a "consequence" of "irresponsibility"? do you think that results in loving parents and healthy homes for these children?

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Message 277 of 327 (442246)
12-20-2007 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by macaroniandcheese
12-20-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
It seems that people want to not have to be extra careful with the sex they are having, so they need something to fall back on when their irresposibility backfires.
more than half of women who have abortions were using birth control methods when they conceived.
And of those half, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using their method inconsistently.
Only 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use. And that is just 'reporting' correct use, not verified correct use.
So, yeah, that's not what I would call being extra careful.
now. linear ag thinks he has a right to judge whether they were all using them properly or not, but his statistics didn't bear it out.
There goes you bitchness firing off again. I was following that discussion and Linear Ag was correct while you had misread your own source.
See above. Most of them were not using it properly, as your source says.
So, what makes you a bitch is that you feel like you are capable of knowing what he thinks and then go so far as to accuse him of thinking what you think he thinks.
what evidence do you have that women are being irresponsible?
My evidence is the same evidence that you are incapable of reading correctly.
Access Denied | Guttmacher Institute

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molbiogirl
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Message 278 of 327 (442248)
12-20-2007 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
Heh, I looked it up in my gut.
Can you be more specific?
Tarring 48 million women as "sociopaths" certainly deserves a considered response.

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molbiogirl
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Message 279 of 327 (442252)
12-20-2007 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 4:29 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
Only 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use. And that is just 'reporting' correct use, not verified correct use.
CS, if you are going to question the Guttmacher stats, you need to be consistent.
You can't cite one self-reported Guttmacher stat and use it as proof and then in the next breath critique another self-reported Guttmacher stat.
You can't have it both ways.
The fact is:
No method of birth control is 100% (not even tubal ligation).
Responsible, birth-control-using women get pregnant.

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Silent H
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Message 280 of 327 (442255)
12-20-2007 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by macaroniandcheese
12-20-2007 10:09 AM


they can post pictures of HOMG DEAD BABIES!!!!
Actually I don't remember seeing any posted on EvC. I think I remember a link to an offsite picture, but not right within the messages. Maybe I just missed it. If so, I'd ask they be moved off too. Sometimes I'm trying to eat while reading posts.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 281 of 327 (442257)
12-20-2007 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by molbiogirl
12-20-2007 4:39 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
CS, if you are going to question the Guttmacher stats, you need to be consistent.
You can't cite one self-reported Guttmacher stat and use it as proof and then in the next breath critique another self-reported Guttmacher stat.
You can't have it both ways.
Yeah, I guess you're right. But which do you think is more likely: Reporting that you misused it while you actually used it correctly, or reporting that you used it correctly when you really weren't?
No method of birth control is 100% (not even tubal ligation).
Responsible, birth-control-using women get pregnant.
I don't think that they don't. But its not over half of them.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 282 of 327 (442269)
12-20-2007 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 4:29 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
Only 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use.
ok. so. should those 13 and 14% respectively be forced to have children that result through the natural, normal failure of those methods?
how about people who use more permanent methods? if my depo fails, should i be forced to bring my pregnancy to term? a pregnancy i can't afford to pay for? remember, babies are expensive before they're born, too.

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molbiogirl
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Message 283 of 327 (442274)
12-20-2007 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 4:49 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
Yeah, I guess you're right. But which do you think is more likely: Reporting that you misused it while you actually used it correctly, or reporting that you used it correctly when you really weren't?
Don't waffle. Accept both, reject both.
I don't think that they don't. But its not over half of them.
Fine. 13% of 1.29 million then. That's still 167,700 women who, thru no "fault" of their own, got pregnant.
Should they be forced to give birth?
And I would like an answer to my other post, please.
Why is a zygote a "child"?
Don't puss out, CS. Give me something better than "Cause I say so."

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nator
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Message 284 of 327 (442282)
12-20-2007 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by New Cat's Eye
12-20-2007 10:34 AM


quote:
Wow, you're the stupidest bitch I've seen in a while. You're so fucking retarded that you can't even comprehend what I'm saying.
And then to tell me that I think something that I don't.
Fuck you and piss off.
Get out of my thread.

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LinearAq
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Message 285 of 327 (442294)
12-20-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by macaroniandcheese
12-20-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Rape and Forced Birth
brennakimi writes:
i have a friend who has epilepsy and her medications are supposed to sterilize her. they failed to do so, despite her not having a cycle in some long period of time. she had been on the pill but it was making her ill and she was in the process of changing methods. she was supposed to be sterile. was she being irresponsible?
Yep! What! Condoms weren't available at the local WalMart?
linear ag thinks he has a right to judge whether they were all using them properly or not, but his statistics didn't bear it out. so. what evidence do you have that women are being irresponsible?
LinearAq (Lima,India,November,Echo,Alpha,Romeo,Alpha,Quebec... ) doesn't have the right to judge, it just seems to be interpreted that way. I provided a link to the CDC's conclusions, not my interpretation of them. Your dismissal of those conclusions does not constitute a refutation even in Coffee House.

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