chicken legs Bush, or 'Watch your mouth'!

I like NPR as well..though I have not had access to it for a couple of years now. They did a segment on my extinction work years ago and they were one of the few to send a reporter that knew what he was getting into, asked good questions, and did not totally spin our words into something totally different from what we wanted to say.The funny thing is everyone I knew listened to NPR in Michigan but nobody did in NYC...Anyway, my guess is the number of people listening to Fox news dwarfs the NPR audience by many orders of magnitude...and so much for my reading the Economist...I just read that they were part of a project with the Pentagon to make a terrorism/assasination futures market where you would invest money say to bet that someone would kill Yasser Arafat and if you won you would get the money from the investors that bet it would not happen. It would have included bets on potential missle attacks by North Korea etc..and another group involved is headed by John Poindexter..one fo the lovely Iran-Contra criminals....what a great world we live in

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I like NPR as well..though I have not had access to it for a couple of years now. They did a segment on my extinction work years ago and they were one of the few to send a reporter that knew what he was getting into, asked good questions, and did not totally spin our words into something totally different from what we wanted to say.

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Yes. They actually spend enough time on things to get a descent understanding...I suppose this means that the average NPR listener has an attention span longer than 30 seconds.

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The funny thing is everyone I knew listened to NPR in Michigan but nobody did in NYC...

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We have 3 NPR stations here in SE MI!

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Anyway, my guess is the number of people listening to Fox news dwarfs the NPR audience by many orders of magnitude...

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I'm sure that's true.Did you see the c-span Book-TV panel where Al Franken got into it with Bill O'Reilly? It was great. Here's an interview with Franken which talks about it:http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/06/12_franken.html

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and so much for my reading the Economist...I just read that they were part of a project with the Pentagon to make a terrorism/assasination futures market where you would invest money say to bet that someone would kill Yasser Arafat and if you won you would get the money from the investors that bet it would not happen. It would have included bets on potential missle attacks by North Korea etc..and another group involved is headed by John Poindexter..one fo the lovely Iran-Contra criminals....what a great world we live in.

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That is some sick, sick shit.

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We have 3 NPR stations here in SE MI!

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I had no idea - I lived in Detroit for 5 years - went to WSU School of Medicine...

Cool link!...Franken went up quite a bit on my respect-o-meter...and thanks for the reminder that O'Reilly did Inside Edition...LOL!..dig deep enough and you would probably find him in a porno...

I was around the corner from you..in Ann Arbor

No kidding - when?I lived there 1994-1999.Small world...Yes, I re,member when O'really? did Inside Edition. Another bastion of journalistic integrity.Now, I don't listen to his radio show on purpose, but one day, while I was waiting to pick my kid up at school, for some reason the only station that would come in was the one airing his show.In that 10 minute or so torture, I remember hearing at least 5 things that were false, alas, I don't recall all of them. But one thing did stick in my mind - he said something about having "been in 4 wars" to preotect our "freedom" in this country.That sounded like bullshit right off the bat. What '4 wars' did he have in mind, I wonder? Wasn't he doing IE when the first Gulf War happened? So, it wasn't GW1 or GW2. He isn't old enough to have been in WW2 or Korea. Nam? Maybe.What other wars are there?Does anyone know if he was even in the military?

Concerning the original band banning snafu - They couldn't have gotten such good publicity if they paid for it.That said, I suggest that the news media discussion be spun-off into it's own Coffee House topic. To me (being the left-winger I am), it is too significant to be buried in this topic.I considered making this suggestion an admin mode thing (and possibly force the issue by closing this topic), but decided that I had to much of a personal bias for such actions to be proper.Cheers,
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My husband (AKA Zhimbo) is in the last year or so of getting his Doctorate in Cognitive Psychology at the UofM.The three NPR stations are based in Ann Arbor, Detroit, and Ypsilanti.I am a manager at a certain famous deli and food store in one of the above cities. Do you know the business I'm talking about? It's been around since 1982...

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Cool link!...Franken went up quite a bit on my respect-o-meter...and thanks for the reminder that O'Reilly did Inside Edition...LOL!..dig deep enough and you would probably find him in a porno...

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ROTFLMAO!!!I strongly reccomend all of Al Franken's books. They are really funny and really smart and I'm really glad he's out there.

1990-1996 in the Human Genetics department...I used to head to concerts in Detroit fairly often and was in your neck of the woods a couple of times i.e. WSU...though I never did meet Goodman...but then I was not doing anything evolution related at the time..I jumped on that bandwagon when I started my first postdoc.What killed me about Michigan is that Detroit, Ann Arbor and some of the suburbs were typical northern towns/cities...but if you drove about 15 to 20 minutes in any direction you ended up in the boonies with scenes straight out of the movie Deliverance...on the other hand, I am from upstate New York originally and I coulds say the same thing about it as well.O'Reilly's core audience does not care if what he says is a lie, a distortion or whatever..they are concerned only with nodding in unison and puffing up their chests with false pride...there are probably even books on how to master the technique for these guys..Tai Chi and Consequential Nodding for Nitwits...

It would not happen to be the one that had import and export of hard to get foodstuffs...and had really famous sandwiches?

I will have to check his books out..hopefully I can get it at Amazon...the English books sections here are a bit sparse and I don't know that he would have been translated into German...Michael Moore has become a superstar here in Germany...Stupid White Men has been on the top of the bestseller list for months and Bowling for Columbine was a major success..some of it is because of typical USA bashing that the French and Germans are into..but people are also fascinated that he says what is on his mind in a time where you are told to shut up and wave your flag faster...

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Well, there is Granada and, as you mentioned, Vietnam. He may also be thinking of Panama and Nicaragua, perhaps Lebanon or El Salvador.------------------
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WWJD? JWRTFM!

...most likely he was referring to the 4 "wars" he fought cutting the line at the Kwiki Mart to get his big gulp refill...Here is Rambo O'Reilly [This message has been edited by Mammuthus, 07-30-2003]

Although I have no idea who Bill O'Reilly is (except that he's some conservative talk show host), it is entirely possible that someone no older than I am could have been in four "wars" (using the term loosely) before GWI. If he was in Vietnam, it makes it even easier. Consider:1. Direct Military Intervention (ie, shoot-em-ups): Vietnam/Cambodia (the last real war), Lebanon (campaign medal: Order of the Sitting Duck), Granada (chicken stealing), Panama (chicken stealing again, but our own chickens).2. Other Military Intervention: Libya ("Bomb 'em back into the stone age. Ooops, too late"), Liberia ("What d'ya mean, 'they're eating our expats'? Get 'em out!)3. Military "advisory" missions: Bolivia ("This is corn. This is coca. We want you to grow corn, okay?"), Haiti (the most democratic country in the Western Hemisphere. By 2050, every citizen will have had the opportunity to be president at least once.), Honduras (erm, Nicaragua but not REALLY Nicaragua), El Salvador ("What death squads?")The more interesting question to ask would be "what did you do there?".edited to add "explanations" for our foreign friends who may not be completely up on recent US history.[This message has been edited by Quetzal, 07-30-2003]