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FairWitness Inactive Member |
I apologize for insulting your intelligence. I find the positions put forth in the posts I've read by you to be somewhat perplexing. Perhaps it's my shortcoming in that I don't understand leftist dogma.
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
Well, if that comes to pass, it will be a democratic decision voted on by the entire population of Iraq, not something imposed on them by a brutal dictator. If the citizens of Iraq vote to impose Sharia law on themselves & they ratify a Constitution that implements it, then so be it, the Iraqi people have spoken & there is nothing we have to say about it. It is their decision. That is called democracy.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: It might be the patriotic thing to do, but it is certainly not the right thing to do. If the war is wrong, then any American soldier that is killed or maimed is a life that has been wasted for no reason. Any Iraqi civillian that is killed or maimed is a life that has been wasted for nor reason. A prolonging of the war is a tragedy that has no purpose.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Note there is no poll in the Boston Globe. It just says there was a poll conducted by the military. Yes, this is what I'm really curuous about actually. I wan't to see this poll. The globe is the only publication I have seen with this data. I also found it mentioned in the LA Times, but again they don't say where the poll is. Not to discard it all together, would it be fair to say that such a poll would not be made public by the administration? But I agree, if we only have one source, we cann't cite it as definative. But it is troubling to me that poll numbers IN GENERAL are so hard to find. I guess it's sort of hard to hand out questioneres in a war zone
We are talking about the number of Iraqis supporting the insurgency right? Not just the number that want us out? Well, the question is, who would they rather have. Us, or the insurgents? It's an honest question, what's your opinion?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Maybe your rightist dogma is clouding your thinking.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
I'm not sure how but I think that you have totally misinterpreted my post, or else you meant to reply to someone else.
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
Whatever.
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
You are correct. I was responding to jar's post. The same one you were posting about. Sorry about the confusion, I'm new here (not to mention, a blonde).
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
That's not your call. YOu are not in a position to do anything about that & our soldiers are fighting.
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CanadianSteve Member (Idle past 6498 days) Posts: 756 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
When iraqis voted in huge numbers, despite threats of mass murder against them made by the insurgents, the world saw that they recognized the US as their ally, and the islamists/hussein loyalists as their enemy.
The majority of iraqis are Shia Muslims. They have been ruled, brutally and against their will, since that nation's birth almost 100 years ago by the Sunni minority, of which Hussein is one. Naturally, then, the US is rightfully understood to ahve freed them from this tyranny. It is very instrcutive to note that Ayatollah al Sistani, perhaps the most revered man in the nation and a Shiite, has steadfastly supported the US and the democratic revolution the US is engendering. It is also noteworthy that the other minority group, the Kurds to the north, were saved from genocide by the US after Gulf War 1, and, while under the protection of the US and GB in the years up to Gulf War 11 (actually the first continued), developed something of a representative government.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
jar writes: Did the US invade Afganistan?Did the US invade Iraq? The other things you mention such as working with Pakistan I'll address as we move through. But the issue of invasion and occupation (and we still have troops in Afganistan) is important because of the percentage of the available resources committed. The invasions took place but it is not an occupation in the historic sense. There may still be American, (and Canadian) troops in Afghanistan but they are only there to track down and control the terrorists. When there is no longer the threat of terrorism from that country there will no longer be troops. The western forces support the local gov't. The goal in Iraq is again to establish a democratically elected local gov't and get out. As I said before, There is no one more aware that this is not a conventional war than the Americans and they are adjusting to the new reality. You may well be right about resources being spread somewhat thinly but at this point that is what is required. The unfortunate thing is that the majority of the rest of the western world is content to let the US, the Brits and the Aussies make the bulk of the sacrifices. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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CK Member (Idle past 4153 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
This is off the top of my head but.. isn't it actually the case that onereligious group voted in large numbers while the other one didn't?
Anyone?
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Monk Member (Idle past 3950 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
...because Hussein suppressed radical Islam. I've seen you post this a few times. Why do you think he singled out radical Islam? I thought Hussein was an equal opportunity suppressor. In building a secular government, didn't he suppress Muslims of all flavors? It was my understanding that he crushed all Islamic opposition to his reign, regardless of the ideology of the opposition, radical or not.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
As a citizen of a country that claims to be a democracy, it is not only my right but my duty to voice my opinions, and to do what I can to prevent and correct wrongs done by the government, even if it claims to do its wrongs in my name.
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CK Member (Idle past 4153 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
heh - I love messages like this - I phoned my friend Dan (serving Sgt. who's on leave from operations in Iraq).
His quote for you "Fuck iraq, it's a shithole and they are welcome to it". Is it not his call either?
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