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Gays being legalized? What does that mean?!?

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Dude, it means being gay is illegal. If he says so, it must be true.

Okay.You are a Christian who has not read the Old Testament using Letviticus to claim that homosexuality is an abomnation and that is why you are voting Republican?You use quotes from the Old Testament that you have never read, and claim that you're a Christian?And you are not even aware the Reagan, Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger were the ones that pushed for Free Trade? That Nixon and Ford expanded unilaterally agreements with Israel and Canada?

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Jeez. This dude reminds me of the crap I would spewed on this forum ten years ago as a brainwashed teenager. I would never wish on him the quantity and intensity of world-shattering painful experience that it took to wake me up, but I will hope that he somehow scrapes his mind open and sees something beyond what he's been taught....

I thought the IRS monitor's what the churches preach in regards to politics, and that some churches have lost their 501c3 standings, if gay marriages are legalized will this too affect what come from the pulpit's, reminds me of a town near where I live, the foundation against religion threatened a lawsuit, for having a nativity scene on public land, you hear about the pledge of alligiance being threatened, how your so called judges are offended by God, Jesus, mentioned in the public graduations, but have no problem with legalizing abominable marriages, etc...P.S. Its like history repeating itself where the wisemen were ashamed of righteous laws (laws based on the law of the Lord) but don't even blush in respect to abominations. kjv jeremiah 8:8-9 Its not just the gay abominations, its all this free sex nonsense, doing your own thing, like mans laws verses Gods laws, we all know they have moved the ten commandments out of some court houses, and some courts have legalized gay marriages, think about it, God judged Jerusalem for becoming liken a harlot, and to think how righteousness once reigned in American Courts, but seeing Judge Moore lose his retirement due to the ten commandment issue, really makes one think, etc...If God judged Jerusalem because of it becoming as an harlot, how can he not judge America, but then were in them last days, just find it interesting that our righteous laws given to us by of our founding fathers are being subverted, how they would be turning in the grave if they would see how they have been subverted, etc...kjv Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an HARLOT! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.kjv Isa 1:22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:kjv Isa 1:23 Thy princes [are] REBELLIOUS, and companions of THIEVES: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Me too. Perhaps I'll miss the day of reckoning.

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last I checked religious laws and legal laws don't clash. Just because you are allowed to eat meat on Fridays and eat pork doesn't stop the religions from preaching against it. Private organizations/churches are allowed to be prejudice (ummm Boy scouts and Atheists anyone?)

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I would be VERY interested if there were any truth to that claim. Separation of church and state works both ways, you know. Honestly, if what you say is true, I would be genuinely frightened - because I have quite a few friends who are members of religious groups that are far less popular and much more vulnerable than yours.

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Is that a proper name? Just a teensy weensy bit of capitalization would bring your post from La-La Land to Rational Town....

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Some may question the fact that the pledge is forced upon students who do not believe in God, but your freedom to say the pledge and believe in God is not threatened. Even if it is modified to reflect the FACT that America contains many non-theists, your freedoms and your practice are not threatened. What then remains for you to be so concerned?

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Again, even if the worst of what you say is true, how in hell does it affect your life? God, if He is out there, will judge each man and woman according to their own lives, not those of their neighbors. If you are so concerned about what your neighbors do, and wish to change them, try showing them some love first instead of bashing them over the heads with a belief system that condemns their very essence and being. Only then will the marginalized give a rat's ass about what you have to say.

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Yeah, it makes me think too. If he is such a follower of Jesus, why did he not submit himself to the ruling authorities that, if you believe such things, God has ordained to sit above him? Come on, his actions were those of a stubborn dogmatist and not one who lives by the Gospel as written.

I still haven't had one straightforward conversation on the subject with anyone except one of my sisters. We have this silent sort of agree-to-disagree mentality. It sucks.

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With an allegation like that it would be nice if you provided some documentation. Good. They have no business in court houses. That is clearly illegal. He should have been tried as a criminal for malfeasance. Come on. It was put in because the Knights of Columbus wanted it in and over the objections of the Authors family. But if they do take it out, those of use who had to relearn the Pledge should get a by.Just so they don't take Play Ball out of the Anthem.BUT....None of this has anything to do with the topic.

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What really sucks is when someone attempts to start an argument with you every time the family gets together... The last time my wife and I left and we haven't talked to anyone since Easter.. sigh..But this one was more over my wife's pregnancy and raising the child in a Godless home...but remember I am the "confused" one.... I Guess I will call in another week or so but it will happen again and again and again.....This message has been edited by DC85, 05-20-2004 11:34 PM

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I love how folks can simultaneously believe that their own faith is the only way, and that it is self-evident from any sort of human experience, yet acknowledge that upbringing is the main reason they have it at all.

Since you offered no supporting documentation (suprise), I have to assume that you made this up (suprise). If there were any truth to this, I along with many atheists, agnostics ,etc that I know, would protest. How would they do this, anyway? If some MiB hears something that "they" don't like, do they tazer 'em? Arrest them? You'd think we would heard about it by now. Wait, I know; the liberal media is covering it up. Why? Does your church preach politics and not your religious doctrine? If so, leave! Alcohol and cigarettes are legal to purchase and consume if you are of legal age; does your church preach that it's ok to slam a few back and smoke a pack of Marlboro reds? If so, sign me up! I googled "foundation against religion" and 2 of the 3 links were from this forum!!! What are you talking about??!?? Besides, this is off topic. What is the topic? Oh, congratulations to the gay couples in Mass. Did you see what I did just there? I looked back at the topic to verify that we were off topic. So called judges? Depending on the city, some judges are elected, some are appointed by their city officials, some are appointed by the governor.
People just don't wake up one day, put on a spiffy black robe and announce that they are a judge.
You make it seem that all 50 states are filled to capacity with gay couples, felating each other in the streets, 24 hours a day. Abominable marriages? Isn't marriage sanctioned by the a state? Once you buy your marriage license, and someone else that is licensed by the state signs it, you are married! No rings are required, no church leader or church. Here in Ohio, if 317,000 (+ or -) signatures are collected by August 2nd, the ban on gay marriages will stand. I'm sure they will get their signatures, since people like you will tell others that God will strike them dead if they don't or that they'll over run by gay people, "turning" everyone else gay. If it were possible to be turned gay, I'd sign up for it. Think about it, no chance of unwanted pregnancy and you could share the same clothes (if you were both roughly the same size). Free sex? Trust me, it is not free. You pay for it one way or the other. But really, how do you feel about self love (taking matters into your own hands)? You cannot infect yourself, impregnate yourself, rape yourself, etc...so, is the "M" word ok?
I bet the only sex that you agree with is only when the man wants it, missionary position only, straight (vaginal), only when married and christian. Please tell me I'm wrong. Well, since our Founding Fathers were NOT fundie christians, I don't really see the problem; but if they have the ability to look at our jacked up polital problems, they may be turning fast enough in their respective graves to affect the rotation of the planet.
Whatever, do you speak the way that you write? I'm just curious what you would sound like speaking for several minutes without catching your breath and talking over anyone that dares oppose you. Do you answer questions when audibly asked?

Yep, other than christian news sources, though somepeople watch Fox News. Its a bit better now with Clinton out of office, Jerry Falwell is one of the good guys, like Pat Robertson, both were being pressured by the IRS during the Clinton administration, even now you have people that would like to tax the churches(put them through a microscope), and thank God you have a president thats not afraid to give them federal funds to take advantage of the Christian community to help the charity organizations, to make a difference. Dollar for dollar its a good deal for the needy, the democrats however want to be the answer its kinda like the scam with annunity retirement packages where when you withdraw money's it comes out pro rata so after 14 years you have nothing left to annunitize, the democrats really want the power to not help but scam the American peoples money's, etc... I don't know about all the positions, suspect from my limited knowledge that vaginal sex is the Christian perspective according to kjv Romans 1:26. Do you have something to support that the missionary position is the only postion? perhaps its the best postion but not the only position, do you have some biblical verse to support your missionary position?Some info on gay marriages, etc...
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Page not found - WNDThe liberal conspiracy, Yep, though, finally some federal judges are at least going to be coming to a vote, though the senate is still filibustering the extremely qualified federal judge nominees cause they are afraid they would be nominated by George Bush to the Supreme Court to replace aging soon to retire supreme court justices, etc...
P.S. What your seeing is the democrats using only several men to fillibuster so the elected senators will not even beable to vote for some extemely qualified nominees, this is too me an abuse of filibuster powers, and your seeing the fruit of their position born out in this controversy thats just starting to rage over the homosexual marriage issue that will now likely rage out in court ruling all over the country. Like how is stacking the federal judge nominees in the liberal perspective, not creating a senerio promoting sexual confusion, when the majority of the American people were extremely offended by allowing gay boyscout leaders to take junior camping(they took it all the way to the supreme court), people were extremely offended by only a few homosexual Catholic priests that molested young boys, is your answer like whats happening in other countries where the age of concent is dropped to 12 years and anything goes, the people in america were outraged but the liberal media keeps hardening americans hearts with the gay agenda, to make what is an abomination, as if its normal, etc...Error: 404Dr Kennedy has a short article that the gay agenda doesn't really want to held to a commintment of gay marriages, but that its a scam to open the door to sexual chaos, different senereos, some of the leaders don't want to be bound by the legalities of a marriage contract, etc...http://www.kennedycommentary.org/default.asp?pg=topicmess...like in Canada if a young boy is 14 and is seduced the adult can not be prosecuted for sexual assault, guess thats a good thing if your a Catholic priest, with a bit of a problem, etc... Like is this really acceptable to be lowering the age of concent, truely the world is setting themselves up for the coming judgement, etc...http://www.glrl.org.au/...e_of_consent/age_of_consent_07.htm