To all those who replied to my one post with their fallacious reasoning:
Really, is that the tone you want to set for yourself? Okay...
The private lives of the founders have nothing to do with what they would establish in law as a Right or a Freedom. People in those days had more sense than to justify their sins in public as is now so commonly done
You said that they could tell us a thing or two. I pointed out that they already practiced what you did not like and indeed did tell us a thing or two based on what they established in law as Freedom.
Perhaps you can point out where the fallacious reasoning is in this. You imply that they'd have been disgusted and not allowed this by law, I show they practiced it and allowed it by law.
I might note that Benjamin Franklin did in fact justify "sin" in public during the discussion of laws. After travelling abroad he detailed the difference between laws based on morals across different areas and noted that they were not necessary as greater moral freedom had not resulted in any additional problems for those "libertine" areas.
Read your history before typing. Strike one.
since the sixties lefties started turning our Constitution inside out and extending rights and freedoms to the previously criminal and socially unacceptable, as defined by every society on earth up until now.
Actually it was the 1860s where the "progressive" movement began and which resulted in all sorts of Constitution shredding efforts, including one of the most notorious efforts which was prohibition where they literally altered the Constitution.
The idea was to scale back freedoms to "protect" society. Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson are well noted on what they thought of such efforts. If you don't know it then strike two.
As it stands I have no clue what you are talking about when you say previously criminal and socially unacceptable as defined by every society on earth up till now. Erotic (and that means sexually graphic) entertainment has been with humans for as long as there is human history. It has been oppressed in some societies and fully celebrated in others. In either case, it was always going on.
If you want pix of wall paintings and everyday art from previous cultures where it was up front and prominent I can send you some. The fact is I am living in an area that predates the US as a nation (in fact I believe my house may be older than the US) and it has been randy for centuries.
St Augustine himself argued for the legitimacy of prostitution and suggested it should always be legal, so as to not create a demand for worse things.
You are incredibly ignorant of what has happened in history and other cultures. If you didn't get a strike for your failure of US history you get it now for failing world history.
What is unbelievable is that you can be a Xian and not understand that other societies accepted such things. What the hell were Canaan, Sodom, Gommorah, and the early Isrealites who were slaughtered in a genocide by Moses? Yeah man, its in the frickin' Bible! That thing you call inerrant.
The fact that pornography has always existed is an equally bogus point. It has never been treated as legitimate and flaunted before the public as it is now, and justifed as a Right.
Yes it has, as I have pointed out above. But let me take a different tack on this particular point. Slavery was always considered a right until people ended it. Monotheism was not considered a right, until people fought for it. For a long time (after the rise of feudalism) democracy was not thought to be a right of the people over royalty, until people fought for it.
The fact that there is no history, or a very small one, does not argue that it should not be allowed or is in some way invalid. Otherwise you cut your own throat.
Talk about fallacious reasoning. Strike three.
Carry on. I'm through here.
Actually you haven't started yet. Where is your defense of the mechanism under discussion here. It is not enough to say you don't like porn. Clearly the legislators and executives have understood the work under discussion has been protected by the Constitution and so are using other means to punish the people who speak. This can be used on others in the future.
holmes
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