Forum Oscars

Now that is more like it! I see you have had that sense of humour transplant you were so desperately in need of. And as such I will happily give that message a 5 rating. If only you had replied with that initially. Rather than your prior comedically challenged and tedious reply.Now I am split between continuing this little rhyme-off and starting a thread covering your mushroom growing misapprehensions.But I will probably settle for proposing a thread on the objectification of subjective experiences when the cricket ends and I am in need of some more entertainment.You really are so much more fun when you don't take yourself so darn seriously RAZ. You should do it more often.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

I know this is probably overkill. But since when did that ever stop me here? I was listening to Public Enemy in the gym today and was "inspired". In my mind at least the following is being slammed down by the likes of Chuck D whilst Straggler in full old skool wigga regalia prances around with a giant pink unicorn symbol flailing on a chain around his neck. Kind of an atheithised caricature of Flavor Flav. "What entity is iiiiittttt?"If none of that makes any sense this will be utterly wasted on you. To those who it does make any sense at all to - Well if it entertains you half as much as it did me whilst I was thinking it up as I sweated on the treadmill then that is an unexpected bonus. FIGHT the Deist!
Put this on your playlist.
To the RAZ to the D - To the oh so wrong.
Now re-occurring in rap, rhyme and song.EvC Member RAZ to the D.
Llikes to talk about real-ity.
Perceptions this.
Subjective that.
Absence of evidence.
Kicked off this spat.Your train of thougt has left this station.
God is just a figment of your imagination.
Oh so full of mock indignation.
Likes to talk about misrepresentation.
But for the love of a non-empirical entity - Somebody change the frequen-cy!
Blah Blah - static - crackle and hiss.
Give that RAZDeality channel a miss.
Instead tune into reality FM with meee.
Kick back - and discover ration-a-lity.
Absence of Evidence? Never there can be.
Too much human history, culture and psychol-ogy.MC Strags is the Class A of rhyme.
Likes to diss deists, talk cricket - and discuss hate crime.
The best you got is shrooms growing in the rain?
But like those telepathic dogs I go straight to your brain.
Faith based opinionated agnostic?
Arguments about as effective as sucking on joss sticks!But I inject your world with reason. Your arguments lie tattered and lesioned. Santa socked it to you in the festive season. Pixies, bunnies and unicorns join in their legions. Call me a preudoskeptic? That's intellectual treason!One thread. Two threads. Three threads. Four?
"Oh FUCKKKKKK" says Oni.
Please no more!! FIGHT the Deist!
FIGHT the Deist!
Put this on your playlist.
To the RAZ to the D - To the oh so wrong
Now re-occurring in rap, rhyme and song.Num-erous contra-dictions. Evidential blindspots. Just some of RAZ's many afflictions.
Prehistoric fish, rare birds and Nessie.
Point out the flaws and things get messy.
Flashing scrolling demonstration of denial.
But like all the best medicine I don't come in no vial.
Gods and subjective evidence unrelated?
Don't make me laugh! Persistent lies - got me frustrated.
But for a while this was your line of attack.
Until flashy scrolly returned. To bite YOU on the ball sack!Lurkers and members of EvC forum
We here to entertain. Not here to bore em!
But sometimes it all gets too much.
Accused of lies, deceit and such.
RAZ get's shown up in the white and blue.
Watch the hissy fits, melodrama and wild accusations ensue.
He wants to talk bout maps and mountains.
But this is all over bar the shouting.Is he a deist? Is he not?
Keeps changing the scales to stop the rot.
Faith based agnostic with opinions.
Advocating god and his dominion.
But this is just another gap fill-er.
Is Catholic Scientist really agnostic towards mozza-rella?
Start another thread and your humiliation will be immense.
Still never faced up to the problems with Immaterial "Evidence"FIGHT the Deist!
FIGHT the Deist!
Put this on your playlist.
To the RAZ to the D - To the oh so wrong
Now re-occurring in rap, rhyme and song.
FIGHT the Deist!
FIGHT the Deist!
FIGHT the Deist!Fade to out......YeAhhhhhhhh BoooooooooyyyyyyyEdited by Straggler, : No reason given.

Word to the mutha!!

Oh Oni what have you done? You really should not encourage me when it comes to this sort of thing. The past couple of days I have been noting down every single dumbass thought and rhyme that makes me chuckle and grin exactly as I used to do 20 odd years ago. As a punk-ass white boy it used to be my way of getting my own back on the school bullies and generally garnering some sort of respect as a teenager. Anyway - Here is my latest (and I promise last ever) EvC rap effort.Talk about reality and evidentiality. Sometimes morality. Express your personality.
Welcome to EvC forum.
Where the members are the quorum.
EvC cast and crew.
This rhyme is all about YOU.Let's start this story at the very top of the tree.
With the man who started E-V-C.
As Admin cat he shows no mercy.
The one and only. The main man Percy.
He pays the bills. Provides the thrills and spills.
Who stays who goes. Is as he wills.
He writes the code. He runs the servers.
Likes to take part. Still finds time to observe us.
One pass. Two pass. Three pass. Four?
No way Jose! You'll be shown the door.
Aided and abetted by Moose and Mod
Watchin over us while we talk about god.Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the message count.The mighty Mod. What can I say?
Always on target. Never astray.
While all around are losing their heads.
The moderate one enhances threads.
Logically methodologically posting periodically.
Always excels at epistemology.
On that note I will progress.
Except to say the London meet was a suc-cess.Next on the list is badass Rahvin
Leaves his opponents logically malnourished. Argumentally starving.
Faith based irrationality gets a carving.
Like meat off the bone. Quick hand me a phone. Dial 911 and take a step back because the Rahv is on the attack.
Blood goes everywhere. Deists dare not even stare. Theists cry it's not fair. He just doesn't care. Limbs fly here and there.
Creos get a wicked scare. Leaves them cold and bare. Fills them with despair.
Because Everybody is aware...
That Rahvin - is immense.
Dismissing the logically flawed, evidentially poor and intellectually dense.Next we turn to the Tazmanian Devil
He likes to party. He likes to revel.
On the subject of perversity he likes to promote diversity.
Yeah he enjoys adversity.
But apparent-ly his special-ity is the moral-ity of sexual-ity.
For those who don't know. He's a fan of bestial-ity.
Sex external to the normal family trees.
Even that mangey dog? Hell dude it's got fleas!
And what on Earth have you done to that chicken? Whatever it was it looks shell shocked and stricken.
The entire menagerie - they're all praying. Having nightmares at the inclinations he's displaying.
No offence dude. Really I'm only playing.
But what is that noise? Why is that a donkey braying?Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The suspensions mount. On with the body count.Onifre. Makes me spit beer.
With his jokes, cynicism and malicious cheer.
Paranoid schizoid with comic idle ten-dencies.
Should we be worried about his narcotic de-pen-dencies?
In political threads he's had me on my knees.
But more often than not - we agree.
Conspiratorial maniac. Doesn't take any flak.
Always up for the crack. Much enjoyed my rap attack.
If he comes to London we'll meet - This is true.
Hang out. Drink brews. Smack a bigot or two.CS - He's agnostic to cheese.
He's the member I most like to tease.
Every slice of pizza is a voyage of discovery.
Buy shares in mozzarella. Aid the financial recovery.
He says gods and dogs are equally evidenced.
While LindaLou squeels "RAZD for world president!"
For Christs sake. Why don't those two get a room?
Gaze adoringly while they ponder the morphic fields of shrooms.
Do not disturb sign on the door.
Inside they expose their "logical flaws".Talking of RAZD and his perception of reality. I really should just leave him be.
Something of a nemesis. Of dissing him I should desist. I really really must resist. Posting rhymes when I am pissed.
Whether god does exist. Time to put down our fists. Shake hands and clear the mist.
But having said that. I won't be on his Xmas list.
And besides. Our resident deist - He's been dealt with elsewhere on my playlist.Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the thread count.Legend. The fearful one.
Thinks he'd be safer if we all had guns.
What a fantastic story he has spun.
Confusing dictionary definitions with legal ones.
Is he hateful or is he not.
Intends to have all - the English shot.
Why so angry? What is his motivation?
He yells "thought crime" and accuses me of basic rights violations.
Obviously thinks Fox news is true. About society does he have a clue?
Him and Hyro too. Sometimes I think they been sniffin glue.
Destined to disagree with liberals like me through and through.(**BLINK**) Did you just say that?
Some here say he's quite a twat.
But I think this is because his arguments are hard to manage.
With facts and questions he does a-lot of damage
Cannot be pinned down. Or disparaged.
Opponents get the death march and a horse drawn carriage.
But whatever you do - just don't mention gay sex - or marriage.I think the Granny is under-rated.
About time she was congratulated.
She exposes those who say god created.
Tells them in detail how life mutated
Leaving their lies dev-astated.
All this she does with great aplomb.
Creos scattered.
Hit by her intell-ec-tual bomb.Buzsaw. He drives me mad.
But when he returned I was glad.
His topic is bending bars.
And how light travels from the stars.
Very confused by thermodynamics.
Don't even start on quantum mechanics.
Which brings me to Cave-diver.
In the realm of physics there is none wiser.
SonGoku is chief quantum advisor.
With his knowledge he aint no miser.
I urge you to checkout his QM master-class.
After uni such opportunities are all too sparse.
Inflation, big Bang and black holes.
Take a seat if education is yer goal.
Higgs Boson and the L-H-C
We're talkin phenomenal energy.
The forums top physicists. One's a dry derisionist. Once a believer now a naturalist.
Guiding us all through the mist. Scientific spacialists.
That make EvC a cut above the rest.ICANT should be "I can't compre-hend".
Driving us all around the bend.
ICANT or Smoothy - who is worse?
When conversing things get terse.
Both guaranteed to make you curse.
Both so fucking confused about the universe.
Sucked into their uncomprehending ways.
Left goggle eyed confused and dazed.
Quick before your brain turns to jelly.
Follow Brian's example and smack yer head into - a telly.
Ones geocentric. The other just eccentric. Thinking is concentric.
ICANT wants to know when time began.
Prefers eternity to the Big-Bang.
But just accept he will never under-stan
Forget Newton. He has the conceptual level of Neanderthal man.Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the message count.Petrophysics needs a verbal kicking.
Love to feed him one of Taz's chickens.
Suffers from attention deficit dis-order.
Animal or vegetable? I'd say he's on the border.
Briterican. He's quite new.
Cheery posts. Much sense. And truth.
Creation or evo-lution?
Evidence is the only solution.
Creos like to spread the confusion.
Because the truth is an inconvenient intrusion.
Into biblical reality. But evidentiality is Doc A's speciality.
Testing and prediction. Distinguish fact from fiction.
And note the precise diction. That is his prediliction.
Post of the Month. For those that make the grade.
Unlike message ratings. This is a true acco-lade.Who else is is here at EvCee?
Iano, Otto and Peq are but three.
A more varied bunch there could never be.
That's this forums main qual-ity.
Gotta give a shout-out to Bluejay.
Helping us look at faith in new ways.
To many others for me to mention.
Go on too long I'll get a suspension.So last and very much least is me.
Old school wigga.
Re-invigorated MC.
Dissed ya dismissed ya some I even blessed ya.
But I'm only having fun. None of you did I mean to shun.
Had my phasor only set to stun. Wasn't out to kill any-one.
You see this is all a game.
Discuss, debate, argue - I don't care the name.
Entertains me. Keeps my days from being all the same.
If you don't like it. That's a shame.
It's not my fault. I've got Oni to blame.Talk about reality and evidentiality. Sometimes morality. Express your personality.
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
Welcome to EvC forum.
Where the members are the quorum.
EvC forum cast and crew.
This rhyme has been all about - YOU.Peace and love to the EvC posse 2009. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh BooooooooooyyyyyEdited by Straggler, : No reason given.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.Edited by Straggler, : Silly changes

Oh you ain't seen nuthin yet!! Message 109Curiously I think that was all done and dusted well before the rhyming started.But like I said when I get bored enough I'll start a thread on the objectification of subjectivity and you are more than welcome to take part if you think your position can hold up to it.Happy New year

Did I mention that I grew up in a trailer and was raised by Kim Bassinger? I agree. And I did. But it just got blatantly abusive. So I left it out.Anyway glad you enjoyed but enough is enough. I am doing the modern day equivalent of when my dad used to get drunk and sing Dylan lyrics. It was when he tried to dance that I had to leave the room. The grasping of rekindled youth by the middle aged is never an attractive sight.Enough.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

Whilst I am tempted to write you a verse I have sworn to hang up my EvC microphone. Apologies to you and anyone else I left out. I could have gone on much longer but still would have missed out plenty of people.And anyway writing the more abusive rhymes about those you disagree with is far more fun

Thanks. I think. From Message 302You gotta admit that taken at face value this is kinda hilarious and very piss-take worthy? Nah. Because as we have all agreed, including you and RAZD, there is not and can never be a complete absence of all objective evidence. And "must"? Nah. Because as we have all agreed certainty is not an option when making evidenced based arguments. Only likelihood. But if you wanna disagree again we start yet another thread and go over it all yet again. If you want.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

Back to your humorless gimp mode again I see. Personally I don't see what else there is to say. But you obviously feel that you have something left to prove. That's fine. I'll play along if you really want me to.If you are utterly determined to kick off again you can start by tackling some of the posts you have selectively ignored in favour of your imbecilic straw man "Straggler says people make things up therefore everything Straggler disagrees with must be made up". Maybe have a look at - This Message 499; this Message 436 and this from way way back when Message 175Are you are now claiming that the existence of gods is supported by objective evidence in some way? If not what position would you say the objectively evidenced context of human history, culture/anthropology and psychology does support? If you are determined to answer this start an appropriate thread RAZ.And how are those faith based agnostic opinions of yours holding up by the way? Is that your paltry way of making your post superficailly "on topic"? Why even bother pretending?You and I are never gonna agree. Frankly I feel that you are so determined to "prove" that your own beliefs don't fly in the face of the available evidence that you will go to almost any length to try and convince yourself (and others) of this. But frankly I just don't think you have anything very interesting to say anymore.(**YAWN**)Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

The whole rhyme thing was a piss take of everything. Including my punk-ass wigga middle aged grasping at lost youth wannabe Eminem self.But I must admit to still being utterly bemused as to what possible context dogs and gods could be equally evidenced?If you feel slighted and wanna explain here feel free to do so in reply and I won't come back on it at all. You can take a free hit so to speak.

Hey Buz. Just seen this. Of all those who I thought might appreciate my rap efforts I never thought you would be one of them!! So - Thanks!!And I meant what I said about missing you while you were gone (**whipes a sentimental tear from his eye**).Who woulda thunked it huh?

Hello again forum fans. Yes it is nearly the end of the year (ish) and yet again it is (sort of) time for this years Forum Oscars. With the return of so many past participants maybe we can shake things up a tad.Last year turned into a rhyme-fest. Could this year turn into another expose of EvC creative talent? Any caricaturists out there? The mind boggles.The proposed categories (from past years) are:A) Hardcore creationist
B) Pragmatic believer
C) Pragmatic disbeliever
D) Rampant atheistBut this was broadened to the following by RAZD:(B) Pragmatic believer:
(C) Pragmatic disbeliever:
(D) Rampant atheist:
(E) Open-minded skeptic:
(F) A category on his own:
(G) The third side of the argument:
(H) Horse rider (and dead horse flogger):
(I) Most missed:There were also some social type categories ("ardent liberal", "crazed conservative" etc. etc.) that I can't find now because I have a had a few too many glasses of Shiraz.Buuurp. In other words "do what you will". Ignore as pointless rubbish or highlight the people you think have contributed greatly in whatever "category" you choose to define. The choice is yours.I will reveal my own deeply subjective opinions if this gets any sort of response at all.

You can have whatever category you want.I nominate you too

Here are my noms for this year:Hardcore creationist: Sleveseque is a creationist who seems far too sensible to be a creationist. But he does a pretty good job of arguing the impossible.Pragmatic believer: Phat. For being pragmatic. And a believer. And funny with it.Pragmatic disbeliever: I am gonna say Mod. He is no less of a non-believer than many others. But does it in a more pragmatic way. More respectful and less zealous than some others (**ahem - points at self**) I could mention.Rampant atheist: It has to be bluegenes this year. He is succeeding where many before him have tried. The rabbit is out of the hat......Open-minded skeptic: How about Hyro? Onetime Nemesis Juggernaut of creationism and now weary lifejacket wearing agnostic. Just for the revelation of his secret identity alone he deserves a mention somewhere.A category on his own: Wounded King. Just because..... I dunno. I guess that is the point of this category.The third side of the argument: Purpledawn for being 3 dimensional.Horse rider (and dead horse flogger): Xongsmith has taken over the mantle of pink unicorn flogger from me. For someone to make even me tired of the IPU was something I just didn't see coming.Most missed: This is surely an opportunity to say welcome back to all those recently returned.

Cheers (again!) Buz. As I recall I wandered round my daily life with a scribble pad in my back pocket for a couple of days and everytime I thought of something that made me internally chuckle I noted it down. I remember that I missed my floor in the work lifts (elevators to you) at least once as I scribbled frantically and lost track of where I was.Then I sat and typed it out and compiled it in an EvC post in about half an hour, adding bits as I went.You asked.....Anway enough of all that. Buz - Your nominations for this year please!!