Actually, part of the philosophy of naturopathy is to only put into the body that which belongs there, examples of this being food, vitamins, and essential fatty acids. Vaccines contain a whole spectrum of substances that are foreign to the body (see PD's link in
Message 2). Dr. Andrew Saul, assistant editor of the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, explains at his
Doctor Yourself website:
Now if you or your kids live on candy, hamburgs, shakes and steaks, you'd best get inoculated. Just as overfed, undernourished laboratory rats get sick at any brush with disease, so do overfed undernourished people. The germ theory and the vaccination theory begin to apply as far as a body is chronically weakened by wrong diet, overwork, chemicals in foods, drugs in the body and other unnatural abuse. A weakened body, a polluted body is fertile ground for assorted microbes to multiply. To the extent that vaccines and drugs deal with microbes only, they are apparently effective.
That phrase was "apparently" effective. Like adding "Drano" to a polluted pond, the chemical intervention results in death of germs. Naturopaths feel that microbe death is at the expense of poisoning the body with the drugs or vaccines. Poison on top of poison fails to get at the root cause of all illness, which is "polluted body" or systemic toxemia. In fact, the added drugs and vaccines compound the body's problem, for they cause side effects and new troubles of their own. The person gets more vaccines and still more drugs, to try to cover all these new illnesses, and then even more illness results. The cycle can go on and on for a lifetime, never solving the real problem.
Body pollution from wrong diet and neglect of natural living principles is the cause of disease. How can inoculations be given for neglect? How can you vaccinate a body against abuse? How can you be immunized against bad diet and insufficient vitamins? It can't be done. The allopathic medical establishment is looking into test tubes for answers that are found at our dinner tables. Drug companies' chemicals and hospitals' equipment cannot eliminate disease because they do not bring health in its place. Only you, yourself, can live in such a way as to become and stay well. Then the underlying causes of illness, including those we're usually immunized against, are eliminated without vaccination.
This includes large doses of vitamin C. Dr. Fred Klenner, MD, was successfully treating polio cases in the 1950s with vitamin C injections. He was one of Linus Pauling's inspirations. Unfortunately, his work has been almost entirely ignored, perhaps due to the introduction of the polio vaccine.
This site lists his work which was published in the Tri-State Medical Journal.
Here are the details as to how Dr. Klenner handled the 60 cases of polio when it was epidemic in Dr. Klenner's home state.
... "These patients presented all or almost all of these signs and symptoms: fever of 101 to 104.6 degrees F., headache, pain at the back of the eyes, conjunctivitis, scarlet throat; pain between the shoulders, the back of the neck, one or more extremity, the lumbar back; nausea, vomiting and constipation."
"The treatment employed was vitamin C in massive doses. The initial dose was 1000 to 2000 milligrams ( 1 to 2 grams ) depending on age. Children up to four years received the injections intramuscularly . . . the temperature curve was adopted as the guide for additional medication. Temperature response after the second hour was taken to indicate the second one or two gram injection. If there was a drop in fever after two hours, two more hours was allowed before the second dose. This schedule was followed for 24 hours. After this time the fever was consistently down, so the drug was given 1 to 2 grams every six hours for the next 48 hours. All patients were clinically well after 72 hours. After three patients had a relapse the drug was continued for at least 48 hours longer, one to two grams every eight to twelve hours."
"Where spinal taps were performed, it was the rule to find a reversion of the fluid to normal after the second day of treatment." ( Note: No paralysis developed in any of the 60 cases. )
The "root cause" of disease, as Dr. Saul mentioned, is susceptibility due to a number of factors. If a disease is contracted by a healthy person with adequate nutritional and vitamin intake, its course should be benign.
I don't know if you've heard of the work of Weston A. Price. He was a dentist who traveled the world in the early 20th century. He believed that the state of a person's dental health was a key indicator of their state of overall health, and he published a book in 1939 called
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. You can read about him on
Wikipedia:
Some of the cultures studied include the inhabitants of the Ltschental in Switzerland, the inhabitants of the Isles of Lewis and Harris in the Outer Hebrides of Scotland, the Eskimos of Alaska and Canada, the Native Americans, among the inhabitants of New Caledonia, Fiji, Samoa, the Marquesas Islands, Tahiti, Rarotonga, Nukualofa, Hawaii, the Masai, Kikuyu, Wakamba and Jalou tribes of Kenya, the Muhima of Uganda, the Baitu and Watusi of Rwanda, the Pygmies, and Wanande in the Congo, the Terrakeka, Dinka and Neurs of Sudan, the Aborigines of Australia, the inhabitants of the Torres Strait, the Mori of New Zealand, the Tauhuanocans, Quechua, "Andes Indians", "Sierra Indians" and "Jungle Indians" of Peru.
In his studies he found that plagues of modern civilization (headaches, general muscle fatigue, dental caries (cavities), impacted molars, tooth crowding, allergies, heart disease, asthma, and degenerative diseases such as tuberculosis and cancer) were not present in those cultures sustained by indigenous diets. However, within a single generation these same cultures experienced all the above listed ailments with the inclusion of Western foods in their diet: refined sugars, refined flours, canned goods, etc.
In the villages of the Swiss Alps where he began his investigations, he found that the residents never brushed their teeth -- which were sometimes coated with a green slime. Yet only about 1% of the teeth had any decay. Severe childhood illnesses were virtually nonexistent and there had never been a single case of tuberculosis. You can read in more detail about his studies
here.
You say that in order to gain natural immunity to a pathogen, a person has to "suffer through the disease." As I stated above, if the person is well nourished, there is no reason why there should have to be suffering. Indeed, it is well known for people to experience subclinical infections and develop immunity without ever having had outward symptoms.
You said:
Most of the diseases that we vaccinate for have a good chance of serious permenent damage to the body,
It depends on which one you are talking about. According to
Wikipedia, only 1% of polio cases result in paralysis; and of those, most recover with no complications. It's a shame that no one took up Klenner's vitamin C work in this area.
The incidence of death from measles in developed countries is 1 in 1,000, according to
Wikipedia.
Also, as I have argued, "childhood" diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella ought to be benign if a person's nutritional status (including vitamin C levels) is good. I stated in the previous vaccination thread that I don't see a problem with offering a rubella vaccine to women of childbearing age if they have not yet been exposed to the virus.
which is far greater than the chance of damage from the vaccine.
The jury is still out on what the possible damage could be. There have been documented adverse events for every vaccine, and people in the US and the UK have been awarded compensatory sums by their respective governments.
The National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine (IOM) issued a
report on child vaccinations in 2002, urging more research. Among their comments:
The report, issued by the IOM's Immunization Safety Review Committee, found that scientific evidence from epidemiological studies on whether allergy, including asthma, can be caused by multiple vaccinations was conflicting and concluded that the evidence "was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship." The Committee concluded that epidemiological studies to date "favor rejection of a causal relationship between multiple immunizations and increased risk for infections and for type 1 diabetes." However, the Committee also concluded that they did find some biological mechanism evidence that vaccines could increase the risk of immune dysfunction in some children that could lead to increased infections and allergy, including asthma. They stated that
"the biological mechanisms evidence regarding increased risk for infections is strong."
The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) has long advocated increased basic science research into the biological mechanisms for immunity and vaccine adverse events, with particular emphasis on identifying genetic and other biomarkers that may play a role in increasing susceptibility for vaccine-induced neuroimmune dysfunction. Acknowledging the absence of research into this area, the Committee said,
"The Committee was unable to address the concern that repeated exposure of a susceptible child to multiple immunizations over the developmental period may also produce atypical or non-specific immune or nervous system injury that could lead to severe disability or death. (Fisher, 2001). There are no epidemiological studies that address this. Thus, the committee recognizes with some discomfort that this report addresses only part of the overall set of concerns of some of those most wary about the safety of childhood immunizations."
You also said:
most vaccines do not make a person contaigous.
There are documented cases of people coming down with vaccine-related infections. Polio is a well-known one.
This report, documenting the spread of the virus from the vaccine in a polio-free highly vaccinated population, concludes that we need to keep vaccinating, more or less
ad infinitum, in order to keep this evolving virus at bay. So much for vitamin C.
There was also an outbreak this year in
Nigeria, linked directly to the live vaccine, which has left 69 children paralyzed.
It can happen with smallpox too.
This case was linked directly to contact with a military smallpox vaccinee.
It's a pretty nice gravy train, isn't it, when we have to keep vaccinating against diseases caused by vaccination.
while at the same time accepting the idea of ingesting herbal drugs to treat the symptoms of disease
Sometimes it is necessary to treat the symptoms while the root cause is being addressed. At any rate, herbal medicine is OT here, going by the topic of this thread.
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