boasts of Athiests II

Well, my argument might be invalid but the conclusion true (accidentally).So if you admit to your priggery, and come off your moral highhorse, I will admit to being a lousy logician.

Your conclusion can't be true if you have a logically flawed set of premises.Your conclusion could be accidentally true if you were to rephrase your argument in a manner that would make your conclusion then fit the premises.For example in this case if you were I believe Mikehager is not a person of exemplary moral characteristics for xyz reasons then sure your argument is true. But it is also based on your opinion of how Mike has acted.Or Mike could say Robinrohan is prone to promote flawed arguments as well as mischaracterize and attack others due xyz examples. But again his arguement is now based on his opinion on how you have acted in regards to his person.In both cases the arguements are flawed in applying to any population larger then an individual, or even extrapolating further out into a group of people. Because both have based your arguements on personal experience and is only valid so far as xyz people you have met are not exemplary, and thus you cannot extrapolate to all because there could always be c person who demonstrates exemplary moral character.However, I would say both of you need to stop baiting each other (who cares who started it) because you are providing examples of how not to have a good discussion that follows forum guidelines.

What I meant was the conclusion of a syllogism might be in fact true even though there's a fallacy in the argument. Like this:All fathers are males.
G. W. Bush is a male.
Therefore, G. W. Bush is a father.

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1. One of the qualities of the human mind is HABITUATION. We grow used to things. We grow tired of things. We after awhile are unmoved or much less moved by that which moved us before.

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I would agree with this in general.

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2. Most of life is spent neither joyfully nor sadly but in an in-between state that might be characterized as moderate satisfaction or moderate dissatisfaction.

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Sure, although personally I would say that most of my childhood and early adulthood was spent in moderate dissatisfacion, but since I got over the child abuse I consider myself to feel "very satisfied" with my life much of the time.

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3. There is a "hunger of imagination" in us that outraces reality. Reality cannot possibly fulfill that which our imagination craves.

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I really don't understand how my imagination can crave anything.

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This quality is more prevalent when one is young, but it never goes away entirely. The result is an occasional feeling of "vacuity."(the phrases in quotation marks come from an 18th century writer).

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You know, I have always been a very practical, "take things at face value" kind of person.If I'm bored, I figure that it's my own fault, because I could live a hundred or a thousant lifetimes and still not experience everything I could. I have yet to become bored with blue skies, for example, but maybe that's because I have always lived in relatively cloudy places.Maybe I'm just easy to please and astonish.

Have you ever done something that didn't meet up to your expectations beforehand? You were looking forward to it, but it didn't quite meet up to what you thought it would be?

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For example cooking, a basic human necessity, is as stimulating as watching paint dry.

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It has always been incredibly engaging and interesting to me!I remember the year that I was given a book that taught me how to put up preserves and pickles. I thought it was the most facinating thing in the world; all of this chemistry and physics. The absolute, very most coolest thing was the fact that I was supposed to put some of this food on a room temperature shelf for, in many instances, months before eating it. Utterly amazing to me.

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Yet can I not shape my perception of the cooking experience into something of joy? I mean could I not percieve the prepartion of a salad to be an excerise of wonder in how such simple beginnings of individual vegies can make the beauty of a simple salad? How perfectly lettuce, carrots, tomotoes, red onions etc, fit so beautifully to create a marvelous salad?

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Easily done, easily done. How can one not think this way?

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My Personal Anecdotes are Objective Facts About the Human Condition (Flirt With Schraf)

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ROTFLMAO!!

This is certainly one way to battle boredom. Kierkegaard wrote an entire essay about it called "The Rotation Method." Actually, the point of the essay, I believe, was that it was a satirical account to show the meaninglessness of the purely aesthetic life (life lived for pleasure).Here's a little excerpt: Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

I will agre with you, actually cooking is incredibly interesting. I think I was alluding to the lack of interest a number people have in the whole of the cooking process. Can you point me towards some of that information. I really really am curious about those kinds of things. Lets just say i love the chemistry of cooking, and what a variety of steps can do to foods like CHEESE . Oh how I love you my cheese...Besides a side thing is that i learn how to cook...the women shall flock to my food! And I get to be like my dad, who did the majority of the weekly cooking in my family. Rather kind of fun I think. Though cooking for 5 kids, 4 of them boys, I think taxed his mind a little bit .

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Have you ever done something that didn't meet up to your expectations beforehand? You were looking forward to it, but it didn't quite meet up to what you thought it would be?

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It happened with Cocowheats when I was a kid, so sure.But as an adult, I tend to not have particular expectations. I often have general ones, but they do not get very specific.

I would say what a load of drivel. To say that the man is stressing because he is talking about it. The cynicism (based on the little i've seen of the essay, will look it up later), about life in that essay is entirely sad, to derive joy from another's prespiration seems a little deranged to me. Though I wonder if you have ever considered attempting to explore things the way Schraf or myself have done, for the sake of trying it and seeing the variety of ways you could build a meal or fruit platter, or something akin to that.

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Can you point me towards some of that information. I really really am curious about those kinds of things. Lets just say i love the chemistry of cooking, and what a variety of steps can do to foods like CHEESE . Oh how I love you my cheese...

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You want this book.It is the Bible for all of us food geeks.

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Besides a side thing is that i learn how to cook...the women shall flock to my food!

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A man who cooks! Irresistable.

Exactly... Why expect anything, the experience will be what it will be, and after you have the experience you can figure out multitudes of ways that could imporve, change or differentiate from your past experience.First time is sad to expect much hehe. Its like sex I would think bad sex is always going to happen the first time around. Its not till you figured out things that it happens to get better. (not that i know as of yet.)

General or specific--doesn't matter.It is impossible to meet the expectations of imagination, because they don't exist.Take some quality like "glamor." It's an illusion caused by distance. The closer you get to something the less glamorous it is. That which seemed to be glamorous turns into the ordinary upon close inspection.

It's a satire.