Gay Marriage

This from Message 447of the Cali Supreme Court ruling on legality of same-sex marriage ban for Rrhain to respond to: Am I the kind of bigot you despise just because I oppose "gay marriage"?”HM

Rrhain, a hypothetical question for you: If SCOTUS decides that "gay marriage" is not supported by US Constitution will you then shut up? Or will you say that SCOTUS is just wrong and go on with your litany of claims that gays are being discriminated against?I would go along with whatever SCOTUS decides on the matter. However, my guess is that SCOTUS will not touch it, which will say a lot about what the U.S. Constitution addresses. And my other guess is that if SCOTUS decides against your position you will claim that the U.S. Constitution is unconstitutional.”HM

I just don't get how you can continue making this comparison. It carries the bogus assumption that race and sex orientation have rightful places on the same causal landscape. To do so convincingly, you would need to prove that homosexuality is as heritable as racial characteristics are. Then I think you have little pink puffs of chantilly lace stuck to eyeballs. You need to show just how "clearly" the Constitution supports "gay marriage." I have it here before me, and it doesn't say a goddamn word about "gay marriage." Rrhain, I never said it did. I said it affected Mr. and Mrs. America, because they have the audacity to believe that "marriage" should be only between a man and woman, and that the notion of "same-sex marriage" is utterly ridiculous. I don't know how their neighbors' marriages should affect them. All I know is that many good people simply believe that the institution of marriage would suffer if the gays got their dainty little feet through the door. Furthermore, I know that the gays won't be satisfied with only civil unions, even if they coved all their legal rights. They want the LAW to say they're "married." (Granny, hide the pooch!)You have never explained why legalizing civil unions for gays is insufficient to meet their legal needs. Therefore, your demands for "gay marriage" are nothing but temper tantrums. Go to your room.”HM

Why do you suppose "sexual orientation" was left out? But, once again, homosexuals are not discriminated against in the laws I must obey. They can marry any member of the opposite sex they choose, just as I can. And, as far as I'm concerned, they can have their civil unions under the law. But they shouldn't get "married" under the law; that is something heterosexuals do. If homosexuals want to invent their own name for their same-sex unions, I won't object. But "marriage" has already been taken by the heteros.”HM

Sorry, I can't see how "gay marriage" and regular marriage are the same thing, or why they should be treated as such under the law.Please help me out here. A marriage between a man and a woman is not the same thing as a "marriage" between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. I can't be that stupid not to get it, can I? What am I missing? Get out your high-school biology textbook and you can see in the pictures that the male's marrying part fits very nicely into the female's marrying part. Nature made it convenient for us that way. But two members of the same sex are not so naturally compatible, not anatomically (unless the Hershey Highway is opened up for traffic).”HM

No, it's all about semantics to the gays. They want to change the meaning of the word "marriage" to suit their out-of-the-closet purposes. It's all about the word. And the word "marriage" applies only to heterosexual civil unions, except for two homophilic states now: CA and MA, I think. But I still say let the gays get their own word.The simplest of all solutions is to get the word "marriage" out of the law. Then I will no longer have to be legally attached to "gay marriage," or whatever the word they choose to use.Question: Would you go for a differentiation in the law between "heterosexual marriage" and "homosexual marriage"? Two kinds of marriages, both legal? It seems clear enough to me that they are the not same kinds of marriages. How could they be? Really, it's silly!”HM

Sorry to butt in here, PMOC, but you said this: If what you say is true then why do I seem to detect a difference between ordinary sex and gay sex. I think I'm pretty good at detecting a difference here, unless we're all playing a game of the Emperor's New Cloths. I can usually tell when something is out of the ordinary when, say in the movies, I see two men fumbling around with each other in bed. It looks a lot different to me from a man and a woman fumbling around in bed.Absolutely nothing, you say? Come on!”HM

I have only one dog in this fight: "Marriage" applies only to heterosexual civil unions. The gays want to plunder tradition in the minds of most decent people in this country, who happen to matter, by insisting that "marriage" should apply also to their same-sex civil unions. All I'm saying is let them have their civil unions, and let them call it something other than "marriage," because it isn't.”HM

All right, Nosey, let's do something else. Let's keep "marriage" in the law and agree that it applies only to heterosexual civil unions, as it should. Then let's cop a new word for gays”"garried," "fairied," queeried," I don't really care what it is, so long as it's not "marriage"”and put that in the law for same-sex civil unions. Would you prefer that?The simplest thing to do is to take "marriage" out of the law and let the churches have jurisdiction over it. The First Amendment would be friendly to that. Then everybody's happy: the straights can rest in comfort that their sacred institution is properly protected, and the gays can go out and get "married" in any homophilic church they please and enjoy everything the straights do except straight sex. Too bad for them, though, because straight sex has got to be a lot better than a honeymoon up the Hershey Highway with your best pal from the YMCA.”HMEdited by Hoot Mon, : The Village People got to me.

Once upon a time, the gays did me in:My second wife was a Wiccan. She belonged to the Seattle chapter of Wiccans called the “Coven of Celestial Tides.” Our wedding, which was presided over by a very fat Eminent Supreme Wiccan, had an interesting feature: we had the Good Fairies of Seattle to guard our wedding ceremony and keep out the evil spirits, the dead of Woden, and the Christian bigots. Thus, at our wedding, the fagots got the upper hand without even having to be ignited. I was allowed to attend the ceremony only because I was the groom. Afterwards, at the reception, the Good Fairies and most of the Wiccans were very cold towards me. I had too much testosterone oozing out of my pores, and they couldn’t bear the thought of me having heterosexual sex with my beautiful bride that night to consummate our marriage in the usual way.Indeed it was a queer affair in my life. Sadly, our marriage lasted less than a year. I figured the Coven of Celestial Tides and the Good Fairies of Seattle put a curse on it. However, this has nothing whatsoever to do with my opposition to “gay marriage.” I would never let a bunch of witches and queers compromise my objectivity. You'll have to take my word on that.”HM

By invoking an "interracial marriage" comparison to "same-sex marriage" you are assuming they are actually comparable. I don't believe they are, simply because that which causes a black man to be black is not anything like that which causes a gay man to be gay.”HM

Taz, did you have some kind of a point to make here with all your racist epithets? Or are you still working on your creative writing skills?”HM

Taz doesn't believe any of that. He's trolling for the gay movement.”HM

That article is pretty old”1991. I tried to google something more recent on the causes of homosexuality”not a whole a lot out there. It seems as though science has not yet pinned it down. Discovering a gay gene would really do the trick. But the causes of gayness seem to be so subtle that personal choice can't be ruled out.However, I lay a lot to the genes, and I'm guessing a genetic link to gayness will be discovered someday. Then they can fix it and everybody will be straight, unless they choose to be otherwise.”HM

AdminNosey, I am complying with your admonition. I made a shot at it in the proposed thread: On The Causes of Sexual Orientation.”HM