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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You are just making a bunch of assertions, and not backing it up with anything.
You think we know it all, because we label 2+2=4, then contradict yourself and say "though we know sometimes that we have not enough information to determine something." Sounds like you do not have enough information about God.
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
You are just making a bunch of assertions, and not backing it up with anything. You think we know it all, because we label 2+2=4, then contradict yourself and say "though we know sometimes that we have not enough information to determine something." Yeah we obviously have enough information to determine that 2+2=4 ehhhh, what the hell? And, yeah duh there are some things that we dont have enough information to determine, just because it is something possible, but we dont know if it happens to actually exist, like life on other planets. Thats not the same as "god" though, because it is claimed that "god" can do the impossible. And, by the way, how can "god" do the impossible? Does the word "impossible" then, not have a definition anymore, since it, whatever it is, would be possible with "god"? Of course not. Its just that nothing can be omnipotent. Think about that for a second Moreover, all you guys are doing is saying statements which are supposed to be fact, but on analysis, dont make sense. Youre saying, "god is omnipotent so theres nothing anyone reasonable someone can say, no matter how much sense it makes, that will ascertain the nonsensibility of "god". Why? Because we say so". Thats like saying that since some stupid person can say repeatedly, "2+2 doesnt necessarily equal 4", 2+2 doesnt necessarily equal 4, just because they said it. OHHHHHHHHH wait a second; people on here ARE saying repeatedly that 2+2 doesnt have to equal 4. What a pity.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
OHHHHHHHHH wait a second; people on here ARE saying repeatedly that 2+2 doesnt have to equal 4.
Those are the addition and multiplication tables for mod 3 arithmetic, which is much respected by mathematicians. As you can see, 2+2=1. The people who argue that God is omnipotent are quite clear that God is still logical, and that omnipotence does not imply any ability to violate principles of logic. By using "2+2=4" as a test of omnipotence, you are merely giving a strawman argument. Let's end the political smears
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
TN writes: What? Its the same thing, since just calling that "something" a name, such as "god", is the same as if I gave you the box and said, "here is a fhrdhrujhn".....so, just giving undefined entity a name doesnt mean any more than what my analogy would imply You mean that theists don't or can't describe their Gods? Well, some try. You could ask ICANT and RiverRat about that, as an interesting exercise to see if you can find two Christians who actually believe in the same thing. Yeah, I know. Most christians(and people of all theistic religions really) disagree with some or most of the other people in their religion about one or more important things. This means that, even if any of the religions, in any view, is true, then most religious people are wrong and basing their "beliefs" on nonsense. This means that most religious people are basing their (incorrect, mind you) "beliefs" on evidence(if any) that has to be faulty Edited by AdminNWR, : Added quoting tags to make it easier to see what is quoted from whom. Use the "peek" button to see what was changed.
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
Addition table Multiplication table 0 1 2 0 1 2----------- ----------- 0| 0 1 2 0| 0 0 0 1| 1 2 0 1| 0 1 2 2| 2 0 1 2| 0 2 1 Those are the addition and multiplication tables for mod 3 arithmetic, which is much respected by mathematicians. As you can see, 2+2=1.The people who argue that God is omnipotent are quite clear that God is still logical, and that omnipotence does not imply any ability to violate principles of logic. By using "2+2=4" as a test of omnipotence, you are merely giving a strawman argument. OHHHHHHHH well its not like i was assuming that, for clear reference, we were using the base 10 S.I. system for 2+2=4 or anything..... And besides that, if you have a picture of a stick beside a stick on one side, and another group of a stick beside a stick on another....youve got how many sticks? hold up all of the fingers on your hand(of course not the thumb); that never changes, no matter what "god" says. It wouldnt make sense
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
Really though, arguements for god dont really make sense;
I mean, if no reason can be used(which it can, but people are stupid...) to eliminate the thought of "god" existing in peoples minds, then what can be used to even verify how "god" makes sense, little lone exists? Until that is known, we cant continue
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
what can be used to even verify how "god" makes sense, little lone exists? Priceless Personally, I have seen great evidence that 'lone' exists, and he's not that little
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
what can be used to even verify how "god" makes sense, little lone exists?
Who is little lone? Is that big lone's younger sister? Or did you mean "let alone"? Let's end the political smears
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
TN-what can be used to even verify how "god" makes sense, little lone exists? douche-Priceless Personally, I have seen great evidence that 'lone' exists, and he's not that little Uhhhhhhhhh.......its a phrase
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
Who is little lone? Is that big lone's younger sister?
Or did you mean "let alone"? yeah sorry
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
douche-Priceless?
Time for you to start to earn a little respect if you expect anyone here to take you seriously. This is not some preteen social network chatroom.
Edited by jar, : No reason given. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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TheNaturalist Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 86 Joined: |
Excuse me
Im a 17 year old guy, by the way.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi TN,
The Naturalist writes: And, by the way, how can "god" do the impossible? Does the word "impossible" then, not have a definition anymore, since it, whatever it is, would be possible with "god"? Of course not. Its just that nothing can be omnipotent. Think about that for a second I did think about it for a second. TheNaturalist writes: Nothing can be omnipotent. Now Why? Is it because you did not read God's dictionary where the definition of: impossible=TheNaturalist.
TheNaturalist writes: OHHHHHHHHH wait a second; people on here ARE saying repeatedly that 2+2 doesnt have to equal 4. You mean to tell me when I add 2 and 2 together I don't get 22.
Addition is the mathematical operation of combining or adding two numbers to obtain an equal simple amount or total.
Addition - Wikipedia When I combine 2 and 2 do I get 22?wiki said it I believe it. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Think about that for a second I thought about since I was a child. One visit from God can change all that. Once you experience the tiniest touch of His love, all these words and ideas you present become useless thoughts.
Moreover, all you guys are doing is saying statements which are supposed to be fact, You are the one with all the facts. I believe in God by faith.
OHHHHHHHHH wait a second; people on here ARE saying repeatedly that 2+2 doesnt have to equal 4. What a pity. You need to study more.2 + 2 = 5 - Wikipedia 2+2=4 is a just a representation of what we see. 2 tires + 2 tires = 1 pile of tires. You are making to large of a leap saying that because we invented 2+2=4, that "god" is impossible. How dare you compare 2+2=4 with the complexity of God, or anything complex for that reason. There are several math equations still not solved today, yet because 2+2=4 means there is no God. Just sillyness. *edit* PS, impossible can be a relative term. Many things were impossible just a few years ago. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
This means that most religious people are basing their (incorrect, mind you) "beliefs" on evidence(if any) that has to be faulty A common mistake by many people is confusing God with religion. Religion is run by man. Our faith is subjective. We are only here to learn and grow.
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