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tsig
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Message 16 of 85 (148949)
10-10-2004 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by arachnophilia
10-10-2004 5:24 PM


Re: Waiting
it was a joke. a world wide flood on earth could not possibly have caused a canyon on mars.

Of course the question is where did the Martian water go. It's obvious that God decided to punish the Martians at the same time he wanted a flud on Earth, so he killed two birds with one stone.


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arachnophilia
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Message 17 of 85 (148951)
10-10-2004 5:53 PM
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10-10-2004 5:39 PM


Re: Waiting
i hope you're playing along with the joke and not serious.
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Message 18 of 85 (148955)
10-10-2004 6:23 PM
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10-10-2004 5:39 PM


Re: Waiting
Europa of course. The Europeans were especially sinful so God still isn't done flooding them.
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tsig
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Message 19 of 85 (148972)
10-10-2004 8:23 PM
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10-10-2004 6:23 PM


Re: Waiting
Europa of course. The Europeans were especially sinful so God still isn't done flooding them.

Well it's possible that after the earth flud god decided to use the water on Europa, but Earth will not take a back seat on sinning and needing punishment on any body. Guess it might have been a three way cusion.


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tsig
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Message 20 of 85 (149205)
10-11-2004 8:58 PM
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10-10-2004 1:42 AM


Second look
I don't know, however, the same question can be asked of the mainstream interpretation. What DID cause the uplift of the Colorado Plateau? What about the Uncompahgre uplift? What about the Gunnison uplift? We have ideas, theories, all backed by data, but we weren't there. We can never be 100% certain.

I took a second look at this answer and you are right, I had my mind going the other way. The problem is that the river cut through the mountain.


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Dr Jack
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Message 21 of 85 (149454)
10-12-2004 12:47 PM
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10-08-2004 10:54 PM


The answer, of course, is the same one main stream geologists give for the same question: why didn't geology create a grand canyon on every continent?

Because it was a result of local conditions not found anywhere else. The structure of the rocks, the lay of the land, the water flow patterns all were different and only in this one place did God in his glory choose to create such a singular monument to his splendour.

Actually mainstream geologists would probably leave off that last bit.


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tsig
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Message 22 of 85 (149504)
10-12-2004 7:44 PM
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10-12-2004 12:47 PM


evo and creo same problem
The answer, of course, is the same one main stream geologists give for the same question: why didn't geology create a grand canyon on every continent?
Because it was a result of local conditions not found anywhere else. The structure of the rocks, the lay of the land, the water flow patterns all were different and only in this one place did God in his glory choose to create such a singular monument to his splendour.

So both sides have the same problem, maybe this is one thing they might agree about. How shall we solve this, read the bible or go look for ourselves, accept scientific opinion or creation science?


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Message 23 of 85 (149505)
10-12-2004 7:50 PM
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10-12-2004 7:44 PM


Re: evo and creo same problem
Flying Hawk writes:

So both sides have the same problem, maybe this is one thing they might agree about. How shall we solve this, read the bible or go look for ourselves, accept scientific opinion or creation science?


Who has the better explanation for what you see?
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tsig
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Message 24 of 85 (149514)
10-12-2004 9:02 PM
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10-12-2004 7:50 PM


Re: evo and creo same problem
Who has the better explanation for what you see?

Science, the bible's just another book on the library shelf. Kept hoping a creo would stop by.

thanks


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Yaro
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Message 25 of 85 (149522)
10-12-2004 9:18 PM


Actually,

We find similar canyons all over the world. Though none as gigantic as the grand canyon, most of these canyons are caused by streams or rivers eroding them over time.

This presents a problem to the creationist viewpoint since, if the canyons are all a product of the receeding waters, then how come so many have streams/rivers running thrugh them?

For a list of canyons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon


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Yaro
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Message 26 of 85 (149525)
10-12-2004 9:27 PM


Another interesting bit...
what does this look like to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GrandCanyon-EO.JPG

That's the grand canyon from space. Does it look more like a product of tectonic activity, for example the san andreas fault:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:San_Andreas_Fault_-_Carrizo_Plains.jpg

Or perhapse more like a a river, say the Nile:

http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/public/images/graphics/annotated/nile.jpg

Pay special attention to the marks left by now extinct channels of the river. See any similarities to the grand canyon?

EDIT:

Some more nice images.

Here is another one of the canyon:

http://www.eoc.nasda.go.jp/etc/images/evg/image/evg_grand_canyon.jpg

And another of the Nile:

http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/CAMPAIGN_DOCS/OCDST/Graphics/RedSea_Nile.jpg

Compare and contrast folks

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tsig
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Message 27 of 85 (149526)
10-12-2004 9:34 PM
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10-12-2004 9:18 PM


why the rivers
This presents a problem to the creationist viewpoint since, if the canyons are all a product of the receeding waters, then how come so many have streams/rivers running thrugh them?


Because water follows gravity, so as the water ran off the land it followed the path of least resistance, so the rivers naturally followed in the path of the flood torrents. So the rivers are proof ofthe flood. If you can make it up as you go along facts will never bother you.
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tsig
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Message 28 of 85 (149528)
10-12-2004 9:39 PM
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10-12-2004 9:27 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
posted mine before I saw your other. You deserved a better reply, you put a lot of effort in it.
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Message 29 of 85 (149532)
10-12-2004 9:47 PM
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10-12-2004 9:39 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
It's ok

I was hopeing a YEC would really try to tackle the issue without the old saw arguments they love to trot out over and over. I wan't to see them explain the similarities of the pictures I posted and describe how their theories concerning tectonic plates and massive, one shot, erosion can dispute what they see with their very eyes.


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tsig
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Message 30 of 85 (149544)
10-12-2004 10:33 PM
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10-12-2004 9:47 PM


Re: Another interesting bit...
I don't know, when i saw the Grand Canyon it was obvious I was looking into millions of years.
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