Why only one Grand Canyon

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Edge, if you're not going to bother to flesh out what you object to then don't bother wasting time with a post that doesn't really have any content.

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Well, I didn't want to embarass anyone by stating the obvious, but if you insist, I shall in the future. Besides, it was phrased as a question. I planned to get into details later. Sorry if this violates protocol.

No, that's evidence against the flood, because it means all the water on Earth can't cover more than 70% of the Earth's surface. Is it a boat?All we need to prove this global deluge is some evidence that it actually happened, and for all the evidence that it didn't happen (i.e. areas of the Earth that have never been flooded within the past, oh, 5,000 years) to conviniently not have existed in the first place. But that's really not going to happen, because the flood didn't happen.

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It's fairly simple. Anyone who does a thorough study on David Fasold's research will see that there is some pretty hardcore data here to chew on.

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errr... I'm confused. Are you referring to the same D. Fasold who co-authored the following paper:Collins, L. G. and Fasold, D. F., 1996, Bogus "Noah's Ark" from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure. Journal of Geoscience Education, v. 44, p. 439-444.

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Collins, L. G. and Fasold, D. F., 1996, Bogus "Noah's Ark" from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure. Journal of Geoscience Education, v. 44, p. 439-444.

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Available on-line at Bogus "Noah's Ark" from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure. Re: Scholars and Mt. Sinai is also interesting.

I'll go ya one further - if the earth is so old, shouldn't we find evidence of its age, in the form of multiple Grand Canyons, on more than one continent? Or was the Colorado river the only river in the world to have been around so long as to CARVE OUT A DITCH HUNDREDS OF FEET DEEP FOR SO MANY MILES? Uh... yeah. Doesn't it seem more likely that a single catastophic event would be responsible for the formation of a single anomaly? Please respond.

You mean like the lack of evidence of transitional forms in the fossil record? The truth is, we have no way of knowing for sure how long ago the global deluge occurred, but what we do have to go on is "mythological" evidence from the four corners. Such an event would tend to burn itself into the minds of posterity.

You are overlooking one detail, and I might be setting myself up here, but we are talking about an event that occurred on a global scale, with all the attending dynamics, none of which could possibly be duplicated in the course of "natural", observable history. Kind of like evolution, right? Seems more plausible for a one-time occurrence such as the flood to cause a one-and-only anomoly like the Canyon.

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if the earth is so old, shouldn't we find evidence of its age, in the form of multiple Grand Canyons, on more than one continent?

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What about all the valleys between the mountains and mountain ranges of the world? Much of this is obvious evidence of long histories of erosion going back far older than the oh so young Grand Canyon.Beyond that, close examination of the Earths geology reveals the remains of mountains and mountain ranges that have been worn (eroded) down to just a fragments of what they once were. The U.S. Appalachian Mountains are what remains of what was once like the European Alps.In northern Minnesota, U.S., there are the remains (roots) of mountains that are now worn down to (at most) modest hill size.Where do you think that all the sediments and sedimentary rocks of the Earth have their origins? Mountains now erroding or erroded away.Moose{Of course, had to be edited to change from the ID from the admin mode - Moose}This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 11-18-2004 03:55 PM

Hello, Spicket, welcome to EvC.You seem to be starting off on the right foot. Asking questions is always a good idea.Your question about the nature of the canyon isn't by itself a bad one.However, there is a very important point to make with all the many, many different issues that come up in these kind of discussions:You can never (or rarely) take one piece of information and fly with that. Any speculation you might have over what happened or didn't happen has to deal with all the information available.There is a great deal of information about the nature of the geology of the grand canyon that has to be dealt with to construct an even vaguely reasonable suggestion about it's formation. Some of the suggestions may be shown to be untenable when just a few bits of that information is considered.You might want to do a bit of research to find out what some of those other facts are. If you continue with the right tone here you'll find that many here will be glad to point those out to you too. (Some pretty frequent posters are actual geologists).Just remember the basic point. It does no good to deal with any one fact. They all have to fit into the picture you are painting.

There's thousands of transitional fossils. Where did you hear otherwise?What a silly thing to say. Well, no, the Bible says when it was supposed to have happened. But it didn't happen then. We know that, because the civilizations living at the time have no record that all their citizens were destroyed by a global flood. Which you'd think would be something they would write down, at least afterwards.

more than thousands. they're ALL transitional fossils.which might be a problem if we only had like three, as opposed to several billion. don't be silly! they'd all be dead, how could they write it down if they were dead?

Actually, assuming that the Bible is a correct source of chronology, we know within about 30 years when the Flood happened. For details see Rrhain's work documenting that the Flood must have happened 1277 years before the construction of the First Temple (http://EvC Forum: The continuation of art styles through a speculated flood -->EvC Forum: The continuation of art styles through a speculated flood) and then my source linking the First Temple through Hiram I of Tyre to a historically dateable period of approximately 30 years (http://EvC Forum: Pre Flood Artifacts? -->EvC Forum: Pre Flood Artifacts?).So assuming that the chronology of the Bible and the modern historical consensus on the chronology of the Kings of Tyre are both correct, the Noachian Flood must have happened sometime between 2246 BCE and 2213 BCE. Which is actually a good argument that the flood never happened. We have plenty of cultures that are completely consistent across that time period all across the world; quite inconsistent with a Noachian Flood- everyone replaced by descendents of 4 Hebrew women model. Yes, lots of people share common flood myths, but here are some of the many cultures that existed through this period and don't show Hebraic influence:Akkadian
Proto-Elamite
Egyptian III-X Dynasties
Cycladic
Minoan
Jomon
Indus Valley
Andean Pre-ceramicWhy would their civilizations survive the Noachian Flood?ChrisThis message has been edited by cmanteuf, 03-31-2005 04:22 PM

Actually, with the earth being so old and its dynamic nature, we wouldn't expect a whole lot of Grand Canyons.However, since the Flood only occurred ~4,000 years ago and it was global, how come we DON'T find a bunch of Grand Canyons on every continent?

There's only one Grand Canyon because that's the name we give to this particular geological feature. There are in fact many grand canyons in the world.

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