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Modulous
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Message 76 of 129 (487813)
11-05-2008 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Rrhain
11-05-2008 2:58 AM


A few hours later and it depends on how North Carolina swings now I guess - though it looks like Fallacycop, shooting that little bit higher, is going to get it.

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onifre
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Message 77 of 129 (487814)
11-05-2008 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by New Cat's Eye
11-04-2008 2:54 PM


McCain: 272
Obama: 266

Ouchhh...not even close bro!


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Message 78 of 129 (487815)
11-05-2008 10:02 AM
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11-05-2008 9:59 AM


McCain: 272
Obama: 266

Ouchhh...not even close bro!

Yea... McCain got SMOKED!

it wasn't even a close race :frazzled:


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onifre
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Message 79 of 129 (487818)
11-05-2008 10:22 AM
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11-05-2008 10:02 AM


Yea... McCain got SMOKED!

The power of the media bro, if it can make people stand in line over night for a cellphone, it can sway votes in any direction.

Time for McCain to take a job as a Walmart greeter, with a little red vest giving patrons a thumbs up and telling them where the specials are! I could totally see that.:laugh:


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Son Goku
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Message 80 of 129 (487821)
11-05-2008 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by DrJones*
10-31-2008 8:49 PM


Totally right.
DrJones provides a badly needed voice of reason. It has been blatantly obvious from the beginning that both Obama and McCain are simply host bodies for Cthulhu.*

Obama/Cthulhu will now use the psychic energy released by joyous television viewers during his inauguration speech to create a portal between our world and the Elder realm, bringing his true form into our plane of existence.

Goodbye America, you played right into the hands of the Dark One!

* I do not wish to imply that I disagree with any of Cthulhu's policies. Reduced tax on transdimensional public transport has been sorely needed for the past decade.


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Message 81 of 129 (487823)
11-05-2008 4:06 PM
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11-05-2008 1:52 PM


Re: Totally right.
Yes! Let us all join together and praise Dread Cthulhu! Those who follow him will be devoured last!

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!


I hunt for the truth

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Message 82 of 129 (487824)
11-05-2008 4:07 PM
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11-05-2008 1:52 PM


Re: Totally right.
Reduced tax on transdimensional public transport has been sorely needed for the past decade.

I whole heartily agree, I also fully support Cthullu's "Followers will be eaten last" plan.


soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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fallacycop
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Message 83 of 129 (487833)
11-05-2008 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by onifre
11-05-2008 10:22 AM


The power of the media bro, if it can make people stand in line over night for a cellphone, it can sway votes in any direction.

You give people too little credit for their ability to decide who to vote for on their own. The media did not sway this election. The people did.

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Message 84 of 129 (487835)
11-05-2008 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by bluegenes
11-05-2008 4:21 AM


Re: Bragging rights well earned!
Can I borrow your crystal ball, mate?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

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Message 85 of 129 (487843)
11-05-2008 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by fallacycop
11-05-2008 9:37 PM


Re: Bragging rights well earned!
Well, looks like it will be 364 to 163, so congrats fallacycop.

WE'RE NOT WORTHY!


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onifre
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Message 86 of 129 (487846)
11-06-2008 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by fallacycop
11-05-2008 9:34 PM


You give people too little credit for their ability to decide who to vote for on their own. The media did not sway this election. The people did.

If that makes you feel safe, more power to you.

But take a look at this link, maybe you'll change your mind as to the power of media persuasion and whether or not they know how to persuade properly.

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm33-1/fm33-1m.htm

PROPAGANDA MEDIA

"Propaganda Media" is based upon "Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1" published in August 1979 by Department of the Army Headquarters in Washington DC; and "Psychological Operations (PSYOP) Media Subcourse PO-0816" by The Army Institute for Professional Development, published in 1983:

quote:
Propaganda Media are categorized by methods of dissemination: face-to-face (interpersonal), audiovisual, audio, and visual.

Face-to-face (interpersonal) communication is the most effective means of transmitting a persuasive message. It is employed in rallies, rumor campaigns, group discussions, lectures, show-and-tell demonstrations, social organizations, social activities, entertainment, and individual person-to-person contact, all providing a participating experience for the individual or group to recall later.

Audiovisual media such as television, electronic tape recordings, and sound motion pictures are the second most effective means of communication available to the psychological operator. Effectiveness is based on seeing and hearing the persuasive message. These media are an excellent means of transmitting persuasive messages and eliciting a high degree of recall.

Audio media (loudspeakers and radio) lend themselves to the transmission of brief, simple messages and to personalization by use of the human voice. They require little or no effort by the audience, and generally, they have more appeal than visual media. Also, the barrier of illiteracy may be more easily overcome with audio media than with visual media (printed material).

Visual media can transmit long, complex material. Animated or still cartoons may be used to convey themes to illiterate and preliterate target audiences. Visual media generally have the least amount of popular appeal.

Themes are reinforced and the target audience given broad coverage by using several media to deliver the same basic message. For example, radio and television can augment leaflets; face-to-face communication can support newspaper circulation.

CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF MEDIA

Acceptability and credibility. A complete target analysis will indicate how acceptable and credible a particular medium is to the target audience.

Availability. The availability of media, the mechanical capability of message production, and the capability to deliver the message, as well as the ability of the audience to receive and understand it are important.

Timeliness. Production and dissemination lag for each medium must be considered. For example, a medium requiring a long production or dissemination time would not be suitable for a message exploiting a target of opportunity.

Quantity. The media selected should be mixed, one medium reinforcing the other, and delivered in sufficient volume to insure that the entire target is exposed to the message. Care, however, is required to prevent counterproductive over saturation of the target audience. This requires analysis of intensity and timing of propaganda dissemination.

Themes. The theme to be conveyed will have a bearing on the selection of the best media to transmit the message.

Suitability. The media selected must be suitable for the target. The language selected, vocabulary, and level are also important factors. For example, it would not be appropriate to use newspapers or other printed text to deliver a message to an illiterate audience. A professional journal might be the most suitable means of reaching a professional audience.

CATALOGING

Propaganda units should prepare catalogs of media material which applies to recurring themes and general audiences. These catalogs should include printed material, loudspeaker and videotapes, motion picture films, and specialty items available for psychological operations.

TELEVISION

Television, including video tape recording (VTR), is one of the most effective media for persuasion. It offers many advantages for propaganda operations, and its wide application in other fields contributes to its acceptance and use. It is appropriate for use in limited, general, and cold war and is particularly effective in FID (Foreign Internal Defense) and consolidation operations.

In places where television is not a common communication medium, receivers may be distributed to public facilities and selected individuals. A possible limitation in enemy countries, however, is that television receivers may be set to allow reception on only one or two channels under government control.

Television is an all encompassing-mass communication medium. Like radio, it makes use of the sense of hearing to convey an idea. Like printed material, it makes use of the sense of sight, adding the element of motion. And like the motion picture, it combines sight, sound, and motion. Television is immediate; in effect, it places the viewer in two locations simultaneously, creating the illusion of participating in a distant event.

ADVANTAGES

Speed. Television programs can reach large segments of the target audience rapidly. The transmission of events can be instantaneous.

Overcomes illiteracy. Illiteracy is not a barrier; an audience need not be able to read.

Unifies. Television brings people in widely separate locations closer together by exposing them visually to the same ideas and concepts.

Aural-visual. Television appeals to two senses, each reinforcing the other. This gives the viewer a sense of involvement.


I suggest reading the whole link to fully grasp the potential for media persuasion. Also, ask yourself why the US Military would want to know the psychological effects and advantages of media persuasion? Going as far as to have a field manual for it. Perhaps to get citizens behind going to war?

Just food for thought.

--Oni

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


"All great truths begin as blasphemies"

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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Rrhain
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Message 87 of 129 (487851)
11-06-2008 1:49 AM
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11-05-2008 10:22 AM


onifre writes:

quote:
The power of the media bro, if it can make people stand in line over night for a cellphone, it can sway votes in any direction.

Which means if the media is liberal, how on earth did Bush get elected twice?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 88 of 129 (487860)
11-06-2008 4:08 AM
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11-06-2008 12:22 AM


You missunderstood me. I don't deny the power of propaganda. Otherwise, what would be the point of spendding millions of dollars in canpaining? What I flatly deny is the idea that the media (as a whole) was partial towards Obama in this election. if anything, you had people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others doing every thing they could to keep Obama from being elected. Show me one single media person who was as partial towards Obama as Hannity was partial against him.

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onifre
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Message 89 of 129 (487869)
11-06-2008 8:50 AM
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11-06-2008 4:08 AM


John Stewart...(from the Daily Show)

I didn't want to get deep into this debate but, I did not mean that the media has a liberal bias, in fact I hate that term. Nor am I saying that the wrong person won, however, im not saying the right person won either, im saying the person that was suppose to win won. Follow the media coverage of Obama from 2004 after his speech at the Democratic convention. In fact ask yourself why they choose him to give the keynote speech? This was beyond the media. The media is just a tool for special interest, in fact most of them are as much in the dark as we are, they are doing their job honestly, perhaps, at least the majority I would say.

Dont deny the power of propaganda and the power of government control. Obama was suppose to win for reasons that are probabaly beyond our understanding, but his name, his features, and his background, in a time when the image of the US is horrible and with the EU pushing for globalization, Obama is the perfect poster child to represent the US. Those with interests in foreign affairs stand to lose alot of money if the US continues to be hated, Obama was the right choice, and the media got the people behind him. Again, im not saying this was a good thing or a bad thing but it was the right thing to do.


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Message 90 of 129 (487871)
11-06-2008 9:05 AM
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11-06-2008 1:49 AM


Which means if the media is liberal, how on earth did Bush get elected twice?

The media isn't always the tool used for persuasion. Bush stole the first election, flat out. The second election, IMO, the democrats didn't want to win so they put the boring John Kerry up to run against Bush. The democrats stood to gain alot by Bush continuing his stupidity, and they did gain what they wanted, which was control of the House and Senate. 2 years later they win the presidency giving them the majority on all 3 branches.

However, since I believe there is only one party, with 2 sections to maintain the illusion of democracy so the people still feel they have a valued opinion, I believe the whole thing is controled. Mitt Romney was the bettr choice to run against Obama, the only problem with that is he would have beaten Obama, or had a much better chance. So, they put McCain, the lesser of the 2. But, if you followed the polls during the middle of the campaign McCain was actually gain popularity, and was ahead on the polls, how do you fuck his whole campaign up? Sarah Palin. She guaranteed the lost to Republicans. Obama wins, the US is no longer racist, the middle east will start to like us better, things calm down and globalization can begin.

This is all my skeptical opinion of course so feel free to ignore me completely- lol.


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