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Verzem writes:

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Personally, I have taken exception to the media's choice of words ever since the massacre at Waco, Texas. If you'll all remember, the church grounds there were continually referred to as a "compound", insinuating something kind of military.

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Well, now, let's be honest. They did have a fairly large arsenal of weapons. Let's not forget that the reason the BATF was there was because of weapons charges. The Branch Davidians were a paramilitary group among other things.

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Also, the people inside were never called Christians, they were nothing but "cultists".

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Again, let's be honest here. They were nothing like what most people would consider to be "Christian." When you have to have sex with the leader of the group, when they use a common pattern of isolation and propaganda, and when you are actively prevented from leaving, then the word "cult" does come to mind as a descriptor.

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In short, we were programmed to be against them. It really sucked.

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Are you saying we should have been for the forced sexual molestation of children? That's what was going on. And the parents of the children were willing particpants in the rape of their children by Koresh.Does this mean everything that happened in Waco was justified? Of course not. I'm simply saying that it seems that you're trying to paint Koresh and the Davidians as more innocent than they were.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Verzem responds to me:

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I could care less if some people in a church like to shoot pop cans off of fenceposts

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Are you seriously claiming that that is why the Branch Davidians had as many munitions as they did?

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or even just feel a paranoia (for whatever reason) to build up a weapons cache.

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Excuse me? What do you think a paranoiac is going to do?

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The only valid point to consider is that the Branch Davidians posed absolutely no threat to the public.

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(*ahem*)Why do you think they were being brought up on weapons charges? They had shown themselves to be a threat to the public. You seem to be saying that the BATF just decided one day to go hold a standoff in Texas as if they were bored and had nothing better to do.

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David Koresch was just man who wanted to make some extra money to use for building some extra church buildings on their property.

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Excuse me? Since when is the forcible rape of children something that helps put a roof on the church?

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So, he dealt in guns on the weekends at gun shows because it was something he had some expertise in and could earn the money he needed.

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Do you seriously think that was the only problem? And you haven't answered the issue of why he needed to rape children in order to do this.

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Also, it is not for you or me to judge the practices of people in other religions.

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Yes, it is. We live as a society and we as a group are thus forced to deal with each other. When someone is raping children, we are forced to act.

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AFAIK, no laws were broken by them.

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Rape isn't against the law?

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The parents of the young girls gave their approval.

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Irrelevant. Rape is rape even if the parents consent.

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No one "had to have" sex with Koresch. There were no rapes. It was all consensual.

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Bullshit. Have you not read the testimonials of those that got out?

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There were no children involved, they were teen-agers.

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Thirteen, while a "teenager," is still a child.It seems you have bought the misinformation hook, line, and sinker, Verzem. That is why the conspiracy nuts do that kind of thing. It works. Koresh proclaimed that the end of the world was nigh, that they would be persecuted by the world, that the government would bring its wrath down upon them...and then he made sure that it actually happened and managed to get them all killed.I guess he really was Jesus as he claimed to be, wasn't he? Everything he said would happen did happen.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!