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Author Topic:   Solving the Mystery of the Biblical Flood
no2creation
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Message 103 of 460 (4443)
02-13-2002 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by wmscott
12-19-2001 2:27 PM


quote:
Originally posted by wmscott:
No one is going to be able to prove the flood using old mythical theories...
There have been many Scientific Creationist books over the years that have tried to prove the flood, but they have all failed because they ignore basic scientific facts and twist everything in a vain attempt to support their impossible theories and end up only deluding themselves.
[This message has been edited by Percipient, 12-20-2001]

Very well put! I have presented a friend of mine with the same argument. Although he begins to explain that current scientific laws do not exist and are false, he ends with "Well the flood occurred by devine intervention and the miracles put forth by God!". It's always the classic way of explaining something he doesn't understand. I guess my question to the creationists would be---> How can Creationism prove that such devine intervention took place? Without using biblical scriptures, using only cold hard facts and scientific research!
The bible should be used for the study of religion...NOT SCIENCE.
[This message has been edited by no2creation, 02-13-2002]

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no2creation
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Message 131 of 460 (4906)
02-18-2002 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by edge
02-17-2002 12:37 PM


Genesis 7
19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.(*)(**)
*Hebrew fifteen cubits (about 6.9 meters)
**Or rose more than twenty feet, and the mountains were covered
- The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits (twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains. This would require a steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of about 6 inches per minute, 360 inches per hour, 8640 inches per day, for 40 days and nights. For him to cover the entire earth with an endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft. Mt. Everest under 22 ft. of water. How did the author know the depth of the water? Did Noah take soundings? And where has all this water gone?

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no2creation
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Message 133 of 460 (4951)
02-18-2002 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by doctrbill
02-18-2002 11:01 AM


quote:
Originally posted by doctrbill:
Excerpt:
The idea that water is a prime element continued in the "chemistry" of Aristotle who believed there were four primary "elements," earth, air, water and fire. The relationship of these to one another is explained by Plato in what has been called the Platonic Cycle...

1. If the earth was referred to as 'only the lands', is the same true for the rest of the bible?
2. Do Creationists believe in the Platonic Cycle? If so, then their claim of the earth being 4000 - 12000 years would be false. Since the "Platonic cycle", times the precession of the vernal equinox through the heavens, lasts 25,800 years.
How I think the story 'COULD' have happened:
There was a large flood that covered the inhabited land. Noah was a smart man; he may have taken the necessary precautions and built a large boat. Then one year it rained, and rained and rained. A flood took place, during which Noah had filled his boat with two animals of each from his farm (and some essentials for survival). Knowing they all wouldn't fit on his boat, and that he needed two of each for reproduction. The flood probably decimated most of the land, including people, animals, and buildings.
What I have a hard time believing is:
1. The flood lasted for 40 days (it could be conceivable but seems highly unlikely)
2. It destroyed absolutely everything except Noah and his animals
3. The flood covered 100% of the earth (popular belief by many)
4. Noah’s Ark contained two of every animal in existence
The great flood is only a story, if it was based on an actual event, then the author exaggerated the facts.

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no2creation
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Message 135 of 460 (5010)
02-18-2002 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by wmscott
02-18-2002 7:26 PM


quote:
Originally posted by wmscott:
no2creation
a)You are new here, I believe all of your objections have already been addressed earlier in this posting. (b)Plus they are answered in my book as well.(c)The problem is you keep thinking YEC, have to start by thinking at least OEC and go from there. This new flood theory is outlined in the earlier postings, (d)look at the first one for a brief overview.

(A)Everyone has to start somewhere right? I'm sure I will refine my debating skills as I continue. For now, please forgive my ignorance.
(B)Doesn't help me out any, since I don't have a copy of your book.
(C)The YEC is what I am more familiar with. Many friends of mine are YEC's.
(D)Thank you. I did, but I probably overlooked a few things. Also see (A) above.

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no2creation
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Message 138 of 460 (5054)
02-19-2002 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by doctrbill
02-19-2002 12:02 AM


I must apologize, since I can't seem to find all the info on the "Platonic Cycle". I'll have to find the book, but it describes how ancient civilizations had viewed the stars according to their location on earth (mainly the north star). Astronomers can use drawings/writings and other evidence from the civilization combined with the Platonic Cycle to help determine the year in which that Civilization existed. If the Platonic Cycle is accepted, then we can compare the location of the stars then to now and prove that we have existed for more than 12000 years.
http://home.att.net/~OneWorldWeekly/platonic.htm
Sorry for the lack of info, but I'll try to find more on this.

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