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Author Topic:   Solving the Mystery of the Biblical Flood
jimmy
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Message 422 of 460 (18524)
09-29-2002 6:35 AM
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09-06-2002 6:00 PM


I'm new to the site, but wa wondering what your thoughts were with regards to some evidence I have read about the possibility of a seven part comet strike around 7150BC, which also incorporates biblical evidence, and also the evidence of a later, smaller comet strike in the Meditteranian area which may explain the biblical flood, and follows biblical scriptures relating to Enoch.

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jimmy
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Message 424 of 460 (18564)
09-30-2002 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by John
09-29-2002 9:50 AM


I do not have the information in front of me at the moment, so what i am about to describe, i will correct if necessary in my next post. I have just completed reading Uriel's Machine, by Robert Lomas and Chris Knight. In this book they examine the theory that there was a huge seven part comet strike around 7640 BC(my origonal date was wrong as i did not have the source material in front of me). They take for evidence for this as readings of nitric acid, caused by the entry of the comet through the atmosphere, which burns up the nitrogen in the air, falling as rain, and is thus deposited on the ground. They also looked at magnetostratisgraphical records which show disturbances in the earths magnetic field. Both of these methods show the possibility for a huge strike in 7640 BC, and also a smaller one around 3150BC.
the seven part stike is alluded to in certain biblical passages, in terms of' seven stars fell to the earth...'. Again i will provide more information tomorrow when i have the source material. The authors were trying to corroborate the biblical story of the flood, concerning Enoch, and examined the comet strike evidence to see if it could be a possible cause.They hypothesise that certain people, namely the Groove Ware people of Europe, were aware of the earlier comet strike, due to their amazing astronomical skills, and had predicted the second smaller strike in 3150BC, and had warned Enoch of this.
The book itself is fascinating, and while as a whole, the book touches on many subjects, I found the information on the flood fascinating.
Plese do not be too critical in reply, i have become a member to learn from others, not argue, but thank you for your interest.

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jimmy
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Message 430 of 460 (18674)
10-01-2002 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 428 by wmscott
09-30-2002 6:39 PM


Thank you for your post. Yes, you are correct that the reference sorce I was quoting was the book of Enoch.There are some references to him in the Bible,such as Genesis 5:21-29,Chapter 3 of the Gospel of Luke, and one i consider quite important from the New Testament, in Jude 1:13-14, in which Enoch prophesises a catastrophe that will befall Earth,...'Raging waves of the sea, forming out of their own shame, wandering stars to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever...'.
From the extracts of the book of Enoch I have read, it is easy to see the correlation between what is described, and the physical evidence imposed by a seven part strike. There are sections of the book,Uriels Machine, which also link to the idea of a movement or displacement of the earth's surface under the pressure of the rising see levels, in an attempt to explain where all the water went, if the flood did indeed occurr.
To deal with John's request for more detailed information, the evidence to support a seven part strike, in the texts I have so far read(not huge numbers I'm afraid), is as follows.The initial research was conducted by a couple called the Tollmans. They looked first at the distribution of tektites, which could be formed by molten rocks being ejected into the atmosphere, freezing into rounde spheres, and falling to the ground. It has been generally recognised that the are possibly the result of high energy impacts with the earth.
The Tollmans research provided them with seven likely areas for seven ocean impacts.More evidence caomes from the study of dendrochronology.They discovered a blip in the radio-carbon calibration curve relative to the Tunguska explosion in 1908, so looked for one to fit in with their own findings, and they again found an anomoly, a pronounced peak around 9500BP,or around 7000-8000 BC. Further evidence came from ice cores, taken and tested in 1980, which show a huge peak of nitric acid around 7640BC. Nitric acid forms as the comet,or asteroid, burns through the atmosphere, burning the nitrogen in the air, thus falling as rain. This may also be linked to biblical descriptions of the flood in which the descriptions of 'bloody rainfall' are used.
More evidence came from the magnetostratisgraphical records which show a large disturbance in the earths magnetic field between 7000-8000BC.
The evidence put forward in the book is quite compelling, indeed wmscott, in his reply, seemed to me to accept it, but did not relate it to the flood stories because these were ocean impacts. I am curios as to your reasons for this. Granted i am merely commenting on evidence given from a small source, at this time only 'Uriels Machine', but the evidence and accounts given in the book suggest that ocean impacts at this time could have caused world wide flooding.
Apert from the two tsunamis, of massive height, which would be formed,and could be responsible for flooding many inland areas,it would also over time increase co2, increasing the world temperature and speeding up the melting of the ice sheets, which may already have been occurring due to the retreating of the previous Ice Age.
my question is what reason do you have for negating an ocean strike as the suse of the flood, when similar associted research assists your argument for the shifting of the earths surface to accomodate the increase in water volume?
sorry for the length of the post...i get carried away!

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jimmy
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Message 431 of 460 (18675)
10-01-2002 1:18 AM
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09-30-2002 6:39 PM


quote:
Originally posted by wmscott:
Dear Jimmy;
The seven impacts cited all took place in the ocean where they would have no effect on global sea levels. The authors of books that cite this evidence, generally interpret the Biblical flood as a sort of global catastrophe caused by the related events ocean impacts would cause. However since the flood did involve a large temporary increase in global sea levels, ocean impacts are not the cause. They may or may not have happened at the time of the flood which did involve comet impacts on continental ice sheets which would significantly raise the global sea level.
I know of no biblical references to the falling of seven stars in connection with the flood. What verse do they refer to? The biblical references to Enoch are very few, and none refer to falling stars ether, perhaps the reference was to the non biblical book called Enoch?

Please can you explain the evidence which supports the idea that the flood was caused by rising sea levels, as opposed to impact related features such as tsunamis, and the extended period after an impact in which may see the sea temperature rise, thus further assisting the meltingof the ice fields.

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jimmy
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Message 437 of 460 (19053)
10-04-2002 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 435 by wmscott
10-02-2002 6:54 PM


Thanks for the reply, it was very informative, just the kind of information I'm looking for.
You requested some of the sources cited in the book I have read. I would do as you suggested, but I'm afraid the technology is not up to such requirements, i teach in a small town in Korea, I even have to have my reading books and sources sent in!
What I will do is qoute the feferences that are given in the book, if you have them already then i apologise for wasting your time, but i'll write them anyway.
1. With regards to tsunami's they(the authors) cite 'Stoker, J.J: Water Waves, The Mathmatical Theory with Applications, John Wiley&Sons,1992.'
2.With regards to the seven strike comet they cite as evidence 'Tollman, E and A: Terra Nova,6,1994,pp.209-217' , 'with regards to the tektite evidence, 'Glass,B.P, Australasian Microtektites and the Stratisgraphic Age of the Australites,Bull.geol.soc.Am,1978,pp.1455-1458.', 'Prasad, N.S.and Rao,P.S.: Tektites Far and Wide, Nature,347,1990,pp.340'
3.With regards to the dendrochronology evidence they cite 'Kromer,B. and Becker, B.: Tree Ring Carbon 14 Calibration at 10,000 BP,Proc.NATO Advanced Research Workshop, Erice,1990.'
4.Non specific evidence sources, 'Asteroid Impact:Atmospheric Injection, Benthic Topography, and the Surface Wave Radiation Field. Geological Implications of Large Asteroids and Comets on Earth' Spec.Papers Geol.Soc.A.,1990, pp.69-92.
There are other more general ones, but I will wait to see if you want those.If these are of no use,sorry. I would appreciate any web links to othe rsources or evidence, as access to the internet is my only escape from talkin, or trying to talk Korean to everyone!
cheers,
jimmy

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