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robinrohan
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Message 91 of 149 (234329)
08-18-2005 12:10 AM
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08-17-2005 10:27 PM


Re: Act I, scene iv
But I figure that we only tease the ones we love.
That sums it up well.
Sorry if I offended people.

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Message 92 of 149 (234331)
08-18-2005 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 12:10 AM


Re: Act I, scene iv
Sorry if I offended people
LOL, no you're not and neither are we. Keep it up.

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Nighttrain
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Message 93 of 149 (234342)
08-18-2005 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 12:10 AM


Re: Act I, scene iv
Rob, the duty of a playright is to go and offend where none have offended before.I can see this on Broadway---EvC-the Musical.

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robinrohan
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Message 94 of 149 (234347)
08-18-2005 1:55 AM
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08-18-2005 1:14 AM


Reply to critics
Yes, Nightrain, but I am not into hurting people, because if I hurt someone else, I hurt myself. And this is uncalled for. We must all bond together to benefit the world. For example, I was miserable about Holmes' criticism. I thought I had done him justice. And yet he treated me with contempt. And then there was Moose's remark, that my comments were "high quality drivel." Excuse me? After I've worked so hard and put my blood, sweat, and tears into this project? And he calls it "drivel"? Doesn't he perceive that I have a serious point to make here? Is he that obtuse? And Schrafinator accuses me of sexism? This is what you can expect if you adore a woman. Take it from me, if you admire them they will despise you.

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Parasomnium
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Message 95 of 149 (234353)
08-18-2005 2:53 AM


It's a PLAY!
How about if we all realize that the characters in this play are not the real people? They're caricatures! Anyone who is offended by this play, doesn't understand the word 'play'.
Please everybody, just sit back and enjoy. And stop fidgetting.
And applaud Robin.

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Message 96 of 149 (234355)
08-18-2005 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Parasomnium
08-18-2005 2:53 AM


Re: It's a PLAY!
So...Parasomnium. You ARE a woman, are you not?

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Parasomnium
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Message 97 of 149 (234356)
08-18-2005 3:26 AM
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08-18-2005 3:17 AM


Re: It's a PLAY!
Phatboy writes:
So...Parasomnium. You ARE a woman, are you not?
Many people think I am.

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

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robinrohan
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Message 98 of 149 (234360)
08-18-2005 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Parasomnium
08-18-2005 3:26 AM


Parasomnium
It does not matter about the gender; I find it an honor to speak to Parasomnium about any matter. He/She knows I have a high regard for him/her.

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arachnophilia
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Message 99 of 149 (234362)
08-18-2005 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 4:07 AM


Re: Parasomnium
(i'm pretty sure he's a guy. however, on the off chance he's really seven of nine, i don't plan to resist. it would be futile)

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nator
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Message 100 of 149 (234425)
08-18-2005 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by NosyNed
08-17-2005 10:26 PM


Re: sexual harassment
not here in front of everybody, ned.
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Message 101 of 149 (234431)
08-18-2005 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 1:55 AM


Re: Reply to critics
Yes, Nightrain, but I am not into hurting people, because if I hurt someone else, I hurt myself. And this is uncalled for. We must all bond together to benefit the world. For example, I was miserable about Holmes' criticism. I thought I had done him justice. And yet he treated me with contempt. And then there was Moose's remark, that my comments were "high quality drivel." Excuse me? After I've worked so hard and put my blood, sweat, and tears into this project? And he calls it "drivel"? Doesn't he perceive that I have a serious point to make here? Is he that obtuse? And Schrafinator accuses me of sexism? This is what you can expect if you adore a woman. Take it from me, if you admire them they will despise you.
This too is part of the play? RR continuing in playwright mode? I mean it sounds "literary" too. Or is it just that I can't tell any more what's you and what's you in literary drag as it were?

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Nighttrain
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Message 102 of 149 (234650)
08-18-2005 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 1:55 AM


Re: Reply to critics
Hi, Rob, The whole point of writing, whatever the genre, is to entertain with insight.(IMHO). When you do caricatures or parody, the butts of your humour should be larger than life, yet containing a kernel of truth. So they will say 'That`s not really me, is it'? If they are shallow folk, they feel insulted. If they have moved on, they appreciate the moment of fame and have a think about how they appear to others. So,in one sense, writers do a service to others by pointing out idiosyncrasies. Whether the recipients take it to heart or no, is up to them. The author has done his/her job.

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Parasomnium
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Message 103 of 149 (234714)
08-19-2005 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 4:07 AM


Gender
robinrohan writes:
It does not matter about the gender; I find it an honor to speak to Parasomnium about any matter. He/She knows I have a high regard for him/her.
Thank you Robin, that's very kind of you. The feeling is mutual.
You're right about the gender issue: it's not important. Forums like this one enable us to speak to each other as minds only. I find that very refreshing.
{edited to change subtitle}
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Silent H
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Message 104 of 149 (234731)
08-19-2005 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by robinrohan
08-18-2005 1:55 AM


Re: Reply to critics
I was miserable about Holmes' criticism. I thought I had done him justice. And yet he treated me with contempt.
Whoa whoa whoa. Treated you with contempt? If you are planning on putting art into the public arena you have to be ready to handle criticism, and not take it so personally.
I did not feel you were a bad person, nor that you should stop what you were doing. I thought that the script could use better motivation for the characters to get into discussion, and attempted to correct some inaccuracies about my character, so that the parody could be more accurate and hopefully even more funny.
You can choose to dismiss my suggestions, and that's fine.
I don't see why my character saying "no I don't want to discuss haeckel", or "Yes, I'm eager to discuss his renderings of preborn nude children as it relates to the recent Child Protection Act", would necessarily be less funny or satirical then what you had, even if more accurate. If you think its funnier that I would say I want to discuss haeckel or you don't want to rewrite, fine!
My objection to the drag was not ironclad and in fact partly generated by rampant criticism of art I put out at EvC. When I made the mistake of posting what I thought was a cool looking avatar of myself, people told me how scary I looked with repeated references to my clothes looking like a crazy disco outfit. It happens I don't CD, though I'm sure it is funny to portray my apparent sexual freedom with me being in drag. I can handle that and laugh at it. I just figured that dressing in swinging disco fashion would be just as funny and as it happens, more accurate to what people have already said about my clothes here.
I did not take your play personally, and I did not mean to sound contemptuous, and I apologize for anything I said such that its tone might have conveyed that impression.
My new criticism is for you to grow some thicker skin. If anyone takes your work personally (ie they feel insulted, which I did not) or tries to suggest something about you from it, they aren't worth listening to.
If however you agree with my (or others') suggestions about what might help your work in and of itself, then include it, if not, continue on. Its about having fun and as long as you were having fun, and obviously others enjoy it, you are being successful in the only way that counts.
This isn't a debate, its art!
This message has been edited by holmes, 08-19-2005 06:15 AM

holmes
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arachnophilia
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Message 105 of 149 (234735)
08-19-2005 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Silent H
08-19-2005 6:13 AM


Re: Reply to critics
personally, i would have gone for a "john" holmes joke or two. but you would have liked that, wouldn't you?

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