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Message 13 of 325 (374790)
01-05-2007 7:30 PM

Hey Razd, I just want you to know that my prayers to the Father (Jehovah) in the mighty and worthy name of Jesus will be going up for your spiritual, mental and physical welfare.
So you understand why I'm not signing on I do not advocate or support conventional cancer medicine but do advocate, highly recommend and support wholistic healing whereby the cause rather than the symptom is focused on. I am fully convinced that the medical profession of this nation in particular finds it more profitable to look for cures than to find them. I remember way back in the 40s when the march of dimes was big and have seen the never ending peading for more money to search for cancer cure via the knife, the needle and the pill. I've also observed the success stories of folks who've gone the wholistic route as well as experienced myself how the regimented wholistic cleansing diet, herbs, vitamins, minerals et al cleanse the body of toxins, rejuvinate the cells, enhance the imune system and all so as to heal the body and allow it to do the wonders it is capable of when given the right stuff and eliminating the stuff that caused the sicknesses in the first place.
So my friend, this is not a crank post but a sincere from the heart message of what I am convinced to be the most help for prevention and cure to you and others who have any sickness regardless of what it is.
There's lots of websites on wholistic cancer regimes. One which I highly suggest to you which uses some limited sophisticated chemo therapy along with diet regime and naturopathy is which you can google to check out and talk anytime around the clock with specialists there. You can also link into many testimonials of folks who've been cured or helped by this regime.
Cancer Centers Of America writes:
Cancer Treatment Centers of America offers patients the most sophisticated forms of surgery, radiation and chemotherapy in combination with complementary therapies, including nutrition, spiritual support, mind-body medicine and naturopathic medicine. If you or a loved one are exploring cancer treatment options, call 800-615-3055 or Click Here to chat with an Oncology Information Specialist. Our specialists are available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
I don't have a link but just google the .com and go from there if interested.
May God enlighten and bless you.
Sincerely, Buz

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 84 of 325 (404446)
06-08-2007 9:28 PM
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04-28-2007 10:06 AM

Re: Really Bummed Now
Razd, I strongly suggest that you at least have an interview with Dr Whitaker head of the Wellness Institute, largest alternative healthcare facility in the nation. No matter what route you are taking, this man can give you some very valuable advice and ways to make your ordeal better and to enhance your likelihood of survival. He was a mainline MD, I believe a heart surgeon for years before he got this new enlightment. He now uses the best of all aspects of healthcare, including some conventional practice.
This man knows both sides of the healthcare debate because he's been in both extensively throughout his career. It appears you are getting just one side of the process, that of the big money healthcare establishment.
My prayers are for you, my friend. May God be with you and make his reality and existence known to you.
(ABE: Whitaker's Wellness Institute is somewhere in Southern Ca. I believe it's LA. )
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Message 92 of 325 (404762)
06-09-2007 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by RAZD
06-09-2007 12:07 PM

Re: Overall Health
RAZD writes:
I don't see any programs specifially directed to lymphoma treatments.
The reason there isn't is the simple fact that the science and methodology of wholistic which treats the body, not the symptom/disease. While some treatments, diets, and practices may be geared to emphasis on a symptom, nearly all of this type of healtcare practice has nothing but good side effects on the whole system.
I can assure you that what you are advised by Dr Whitaker can do nothing but enhance your likelihood of an enhanced quality of life and lengthening of your life.
Thousands of patents of places like Wellness Institute have been terminal patients of conventional MDs who have been sent home to die. When everything else fails, often as a last resort they go to the alternatives. The problem is often they've advance too far to save whereas if they had come sooner they could have been helped and possibly cured.
Cancer is caused primarily by eating and other lifestyle related habits and practices. So detoxifying, cleansing and rejuvinating the body systems is paramount to wellness. Your immune system is being destroyed by the conventional treatment whereas it is bolstered and made fit to do it's purpose with alternatives. According to Dr Whitaker and others claim that even when chemo and antibiotics are administered, probiotics helps destroy the bad bacteria and to simultaneously build up the suppy of good bacteria, thus the term probiotic. The science on these organisms is becoming significant.
Much of what I am saying and what Dr Whitaker is doing is being practiced in Europe, Japan and other nations like even Mexico where the profit motive is not so much the drive factor as in the US.
Finally, don't allow the money driven healthcare establishment in the US to add you to the hundreds of thousands who die yearly due to the effects of the pharmaceuticals. I'm not telling you to believe anything I've said, but to you, my friend, I'm saying you need, for health's sake you need to visit some like Wellness Institute if possible or at least do some intensive research on your own into this stuff. A lot of it is right there on the www.
Gotta run. No time to preview, so please excuse any errors.
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Message 99 of 325 (404810)
06-09-2007 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by RAZD
06-09-2007 5:22 PM

Re: Double Blind Study
RAZD writes:
Show me the results of a double blind study that shows positive results, then show me replication of those results by skeptics. That is the standard I use for evaluating whether there is a benefit or not: evidence.
The problem with double blind studies is that it's hard to do one on the wholistic approach which treats the body by detoxification, building up the immune system, overall diet via nutrition and multiple suplements et al.
There's a whole lot out there on the web to research. The following is just a segment of just one of a number of interesting articles listed on the link below in case you're interested.
Btw, though this message isn't about Dr Whitaker His story is somewhat like a double blind study. He once was an avid conventional heart surgeon who had no knowledge or interest in alternatives. I listen to him often on many health related subjects and he regularly refers to studies and peer review studies to support things he does and advocates in his naturopath clinic. He's a regular on Deborah Ray's national health talk show which we get on our local AM radio.
Combined Approach
By engaging a professional who can guide you through the complementary process, you will obtain the best advice on nutrition, self care and herbs to support you and your choices. This does not mean conflict with your medical specialist. It may be best for you to receive medical treatment and biological therapy at the same time.
In Chinese hospitals, where herbs are part of main stream treatment, few patients experience side effects from chemotherapy or radiotherapy due to the herbs they receive at the same time. This knowledge is available in Canada. The professional herbalist or naturopath can also look after your needs after treatment when regular medical practice has nothing to offer. Of the hundreds of herbs that have been used in cancer treatment a number stand out as being important for prevention as well as for use once the condition has been diagnosed.
Anti-Cancer Herbs
In terms of the medical research that confirms its role as an anti-cancer herb, the leader might be aged garlic extract. This is the Japanese discovery that led the way in garlic studies. Aged garlic extract and its constituents SAC and SAMC have demonstrated anti-cancer action in bladder tumors, neuroblastomas (cancer of the nervous system), skin cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, esophageal cancer, stomach and lung cancer as well as toxin-induced mutations in cells and DNA. The report of aged garlic extracts inhibition of prostate cancer at the Memorial Slone-Kettering Cancer Center in 1997 was seen as an important medical discovery.
Further studies have shown that green tea has significant anti-cancer properties. Green tea, like so many herbs, contains natural biological modifiers and anti-cancer phytochemicals. In this case analysis has focused on the constituent epigallo-catechin-3-gallat, which has a specific action that targets prostate cancer.
Each herb has a unique affinity for different systems and functions of the body.
Matching the needs of an individual to the right combination of herbs for them requires skill and experience. Few professionals will give a single herb to a patient. As there are something in the order of one hundred different types of cancer, the need for specialist help becomes self evident.
Herbs can address the fundamental health processes of the body. All chronic disease involves dysfunction of the regulation of oxidation and reduction, pH, ionization and mineral and vitamin levels. Disturbance of these vital processes will effect the enzyme functions on which we depend every second of our lives. Your immune system also depends on these regulation processes. A health professional can look at your individual needs and advise you on which herbs you need to restore these systems and with them your health.
There have been many successful uses of herbs to treat cancer. So far, pharmaceutical companies have screened more than 25,000 plants for anti-cancer drugs. This should tell us that looking for single ingredients to attack cancer may be missing the point. Just as cancers are a product of disturbances in the body, so herbs can correct the disturbances as well as control many cancers.
However such is the seriousness of cancer that informed professional advice is always needed. This is the great opportunity for true biological therapy.
Millions of lives depend on it.
As cancer is often associated with high levels of free radicals produced by oxidation and toxic carcinogens, herbs which act as powerful free radical scavengers are always valuable.
These include:
Dandelion leaves
Gotu kola
Grape seed extract
Irish moss
Wheat sprouts
Tumor-Fighting Herbs
Some herbs are specil'icalK anti-neoplastic. That is they preveni the formation or destroy tumor cells. Some arc reported in the literature to arrest the spread of malignancy. These include:
Poke root
Queen's delight
Red clover
Wild violet
Yellow dock
The Canadian Association of Herbal Practioners (403) 270 0936 or your provincial naturopathic association can advise you which of their members are suited for your needs.
Rowan Hamilton is a lecturer in Botanical Medicine at the West Coast College of Naturopathic Medicine.
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Message 113 of 325 (405228)
06-11-2007 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by nator
06-09-2007 11:20 PM

Re: Double Blind Study
I've furnished the info for RAZD to do what he wishes about. Your questions are thread topics in themselves and I haven't the time to go into all the question topics you raise. My statements are my opinion based on my experience with alternatives in general as to how they've helped me and my family avoid the MDs nearly all my life, in the 70s now, still physically active and productive.
I've observed and heard about scores of others who have likewise been benefited.


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Message 114 of 325 (405230)
06-11-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by molbiogirl
06-09-2007 11:54 PM

Re: Double Blind Study
How can you do a placebo or similar double blind study on a lifetime process wholistically involving all the systems of the body and including all of one's diet, exercise and habits, et al?


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Message 115 of 325 (405239)
06-11-2007 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by RAZD
06-10-2007 11:03 AM

Re: Double Blind Study
I've made some suggestions which I believe to be beneficial to you since you're highly esteemed by me and others here at EvC so I didn't want to remain silent on something that may help save your life or make your ordeal a little less trumatic.
One alternative professional said something to the effect that if you keep doing what you've always done which lead to poor health, poor health will always be your lot.
I had a bad start in life with poor health when young. Thankfully I learned how to overcome my health problems with the wholistic approach. So you might say I'm just a beggar who found bread telling another beggar where I found it. At least you have a good positive attitude and appear to be 'keeping your chin up. That's for sure good medicine


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Message 117 of 325 (405243)
06-11-2007 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Asgara
06-10-2007 12:36 PM

Re: Double Blind Study
Thanks Asgara. I stand corrected. I'm likely thinking of Deborah Ray's deceased husband who I believe was a heart surgeon in a large hospital. He used to be on her show regularly. His name was Dr Carrow.


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Message 118 of 325 (405245)
06-12-2007 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by crashfrog
06-11-2007 11:56 PM

Re: Double Blind Study
I'm not aware of any, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that healthy natural eating and habits win out over the conventional diet full of chemical, drugs and junk food. The 7th Day Adventists who tend towards the alternatives natural food et al are on example of a long term statistical study compared with the general population. I believe they're one of the healthiest groups in the nation.


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Message 125 of 325 (405443)
06-12-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by crashfrog
06-12-2007 12:53 AM

Re: SDAs Live Longer
Californian Seventh-day Adventist men live an average of 8.9 years longer than other Californian men. Adventist women in California live an average of 7.5 years longer than other women in that state.10
Dutch Seventh-day Adventist men live an average of 8.9 years longer than other Dutch men. Adventist women in Holland live an average of 3.7 years longer than other women in that country.11
Norwegian Seventh-day Adventist men live an average of 4.2 years longer than other Norwegian men. Adventist women in Norway live an average of 1.9 years longer than other Norwegian women.12
Polish Seventh-day Adventist men live an average of 9.5 years longer than other Polish men. Adventist women in Poland live an average of 4.5 years longer than other women in that nation.13
These findings have caught the attention of other researchers and government officials. T. Oberlin of Harvard University, speaking of the Adventist advantage, stated, “Such an increase in life expectancy at these adult ages is greater than all of the gains in life expectancy made in the past 60 years in this country as a result of all the advances in medical skills and knowledge, plus innumerable improvements of the environment in which man lives.”
In 1980, Sidney Katz, a Canadian official, reviewed the data on the benefits of the Adventist lifestyle and said, “I’ve got some advice on how to improve the health of the Canadians, and at the same time, cut billions of dollars off our annual health costs. I think we should study the lifestyle of adherents of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and then explore ways and means of persuading the public to emulate the Adventists in at least some ways.”
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Message 134 of 325 (406216)
06-17-2007 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by nator
06-13-2007 6:43 PM

Re: B Vits Needn't Come From Meat Or Suppliments
schraf writes:
We evolved to eat animal protein. That's why strict vegans usually have to take supplemental synthetic vitamins to get what their bodies require (vegans have a hard time getting B vitamins).
That's just not true, madear. Brown rice, whole grain cereals, soybeans & other legumes, potatoes, peanuts, brewer's yeast, peas, green leafy vegies, sweet corn, berries, oranges & other citrus, nuts & seeds all are sources of B vits sufficient enough to not require any suppliments at all. Btw, I'm quite sure that none of our B vit supplements are synthetic. According to the labels, they are derived from extracts of plants. We purposefully avoid synthetic vitamin suppliments.
ABE: I'm sure cows & deer get plenty of B vits from grass & whatever plant food they are able to consume. That makes it nice. Tataway they don't need to consume some of their offspring or stomp field mice for their Bs.
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Message 137 of 325 (406302)
06-18-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by RAZD
06-18-2007 3:24 AM

Re: B Vits Needn't Come From Meat Or Suppliments
Razd, your whole message is quite irrevelant to my message which was a sound refutation of Schraf's false notion that man has evolved as carnivorous and that vegetarians usually needed to take synthetic vits to get adequate B's to make up for not eating meat.
Often they do take them as I do and I'm no vegetarian. We take them to make up for the deficiencies in out foods which are themselves defficient in vits and minerals due to the way they're grown commercially, processed, preserved, et al whether we're vegetarians or not.
Btw, My point about synthetics is that they lack the nutritional value that the natural ones have. They are cheaper but you get what you pay for with them. Not only that but some of the naturals have a lot of fillers in them which means you get less for your money than the better quality ones.
There's a lot of science to the alternative health field, much of which has greatly advanced phenominally in just the last two decades. Many of the better MDs are finally moving into applying some of it to their practices.

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Message 139 of 325 (406428)
06-19-2007 11:03 PM
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06-19-2007 7:48 AM

Re: Back to Cancer Survival - Moving Forward
This is all great news, my friend. You're right about topic concerns. I have so much going elsewhere that I'll likely not do a new topic on wholistic at this time but would like to sometime.
Hopefully this discussion will have provided some insight which may serve to help as you build up your imune system and progress along. Your willingness and ability to exercise certainly is one very positive factor in your progress. Your attitude and positive mindset about it is an inspiration to us all!

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Message 188 of 325 (494119)
01-14-2009 11:53 AM

Keeping Well
Hi RAZD. This is great news! I've been wondering too and prayed for you from time to time.
If I recall you're not into holistic much but if you avoid the good ole American diet and adjust your body cravings to the raw vegies, nuts, organics and some high quality vitamin and mineral supplements like fish oil, CoQ10, magnesium, vit C, probiotics, beta glucans, parsley, cilantro, raw carrot juice etc, etc, you can build your immune system up and do fine on the long haul. There loads of info on the www about all the new tech on holistic.
The exercise sounds good too. I wish you and yours well.

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Message 225 of 325 (598008)
12-26-2010 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by RAZD
12-26-2010 12:26 PM

Re: general update - chemo-brain
Hi Razd. Thanks for sharing. Having had a bad beginning in my youth, nutrition wise, my digestive system assimilation is poor. I've never in my 75 years weighed over 127 (usually 119-124. Having worked in my dad's repair garage, cleaning parts, breathing exhaust and grinding/drilling asbestos brake shoes and eating a poor diet back in the 1940s at age 9 until out of high school, I became the disease prone runt in my family of six children.
While in the USAF, I began to be apprised on good holistic nutrition, herbs, minerals and vitamins etc.
I've been in MD's offices 4 or five times in my life of 75 years, including AF physical, the last visit about 40 years ago when meds left me in a 24 hr coma.
I've said the above to say that the only health problems I have at age 75 are times of heart defibrillation and sores that come on my face when I get careless on diet. I love carbohydrates and only consume good ones like fruits, whole grains, nuts etc.
What I do when a facial sore begins to form or heart skips is fast from nearly all fruits and whole grains and all dairy products except organic white yogurt and eat less, drinking about 8 glasses of water per day (smart water w/electrolytes good) . The only bread I eat is whole grain sprouted bread which I buy frozen. I eat organic farm eggs with dark yokes, cooking the whites and eating the yokes raw, nuts, some beans, brown rice and a little meat, mostly sardines, north seas salmon and some poultry. I also apply the above in hay fever season to avoid hay fever, being highly susceptible to it). It does wonders.
I also apply aloe leaf or dried comfrey (I chew up the dried comfrey until soft and make paddies) poultices over the sores while sleeping and remove in the morning. I take vitamin E which has D alpha tocopherols (not D1 or DL=synthetic) in it, vitamin C, magnesium, and some other vitamins, essential oils like flax, ground flax seed, etc.
As soon as I do avoiding sweets fast and go mostly raw vegies, nuts, etc the sores go away rather quickly. Going on a regime is not easy for one somewhat addicted to sweets, in whatever form.
Thankfully at 75 I can work right along with yunguns, climb the high roofs of my warehouses for roof repair and carrying heavy loads, etc.
For what it's worth to you. Perhaps it will inspire you that you needn't give up on other options. I pray for you when you come to mind. You're a long time valued member of EvC by all. May the one and only true god, Jehovah, be with you and enlighten you. Sincerely, Buz

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