Huckabee

Oh, and you still haven't responded regarding your earlier slander of "the left." I demand that you post proof or admit that you just posted a disgusting lie.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Oh, Dr. J. Don't give him an out. He'll just deny that Hitler was a xian.Howzabout somebody more contemporary, like Ted Haggard?

Then am I correct to assume that you are not in favor of punitive damages? Like awards re: thalidomide or asbestos?

Sure thing. Here are two high profile libs with their hand in the cookie jar.I shouldn't have said harbor. That's obviously too light given the charges. She was in cahoots with the Blind Sheik, for conspiracy to commit murder -- mass murder.

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"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

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Nice shifting of goal posts. Bush has said a number of times that focusing attention to bin Laden turns him in to a Bogeyman. I can assure you they are still very much searching for him, as evidenced by the FBI's Most Wanted list. The problem is that Pakistan is playing both sides and has stated that they do not want American special operation units coming in to their country searching for a ghost. But it is in the Dictionary. The Defense of Marriage Act, proposed by Bill Clinton, makes it so that there is no redefining. Surely, in your infinite wisdom, you can understand that no such specifics ever had to be penned in the Constitution. Why? Because it was considered, and always has been, an absurdity of the highest order.I mean, look at the historical facts here, why don't you. Nowhere on the planet was the marriage of same sex partners an acceptable practice. At most, places like Greece allowed for men to molest little boys. Then how come incest isn't legal? You clearly misunderstood my premise. The very fact that the State is involved in a religious ceremony is an affront to the Establishment Clause. This doesn't seem to bother you. What only bothers you is when religion seemingly encroaches the State. Immoral? We live in a world of relativism, remember? There is nothing that is actually immoral; just differences of opinion. We also live in a Democracy where the People can cast their vote for what morals should be fixed. The People have spoken -- consequently, not in your favor on this particular issue. You, as a citizen, are afforded the right to protest. But for the time being the law is not repealed, and you will have to find another way to devote yourself to your boyfriend.Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

is a black person being able to marry a white person in addition to black people special compensation?

You said "The Left." These individuals hardly comprise "The Left." Completely ignoring the details of the case, two individuals do not warrant painting an entire political leaning as traitors. This is like holding up a KKK member and saying "whites are racist," or taking an African American gang member and saying "blacks are dangerous."Now retract your disgusting slander of an entire group of people, and give us an apology. "The Left" as you refer to us almost universally supported invading Afghanistan to annihilate Al Qaeda and their Taliban allies, and catch Osama. Which is funny, because by letting him continue to live free, bin Laden is the boogeyman that Bush and the Repiblicans trot forward every other day to scare us with memories of9/11. Which is not what you said. You specifically said "The problem for me comes when someone tries to redefine what a marriage is and to try and amend the Constitution." There is no definition of marriage in the Constitution to amend. No amendment is necessary to allow equal treatment under the law. Matter of fact, who keeps proposing amendments to the Constitution? That's right, the people who want to keep gays from getting married.And the State marriage license is literally a contract between two individuals. There is literally no reason not to allow homosexuals to receive a marriage license. In my infinite wisdom, I can also understand why the founders never wrote anything like "free the slaves" into the Constitution, either. You know, because they would have thought that was absurd, too. The Constitution as written, however, affords equal protection under the law, period. Irrelevant (and sneaking in a suggestion that all homosexuals are pedophiles is pretty low, NJ). "Tradition" is not an excuse to continue to discriminate unfairly. Or would you prefer we put all African Americans into chains for "tradition's" sake? If we're talking about consenting adults, I don't see a logical, rational reason to disallow it. Pointing out another leftover of an irrational legal system doesn;t help your case, NJ. The only rational reason to disallow incest between consenting adults is the possibility of genetic disorders - the chances of which are in reality only a tiny fraction more likely than in "normal" couples.To counter: why are interracial marriages legal? Marriage licenses are contracts which give certain rights and privileges under the law to the married couple. How could the State not be the one to issue them, unless all of those rights and privileges are eliminated for all married couples? And then, could not a gay couple simply go to a homosexuality-friendly church and get married there? What about non-religious folk who want to make a lifelong commitment to each other? Am I not allowed to get married because I'm an Atheist, NJ?Marriage isn't a religious matter any more. Not solely. Nobody requires your church to recognize a gay marriage. All we demand is that gays be afforded the same exact legal rights heterosexuals receive - and if the State document that grants those rights is called a "marriage license," there is no rational reason to change the name for the same exact contract. Nice strawman of secular morality. "Relativism" doesn't mean that everyone's "opinion" is valid. A bigoted asshole who supports slavery or thinks beating his wife is a fine thing is still a bigoted asshole and his "opinions" are immoral. We live in a Constitutional Democracy, specifically created with checks and balances in place to prevent the majority from oppressing the minority. Note that we don't operate under a completely "majority rules" system. Hell, if we did, we wouldn't need the Constitution.Sometimes, NJ, the majority is just plain wrong. Constitutionally, that's the case now.Incidentally, I'm not gay, NJ. I'm jsut a rational, moral person who beleives gay couples should have the same rights as everyone else.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Well Haggard was caught doing something bad, so he too obviously wasn't a real christian.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

cause, you know. christians are perfect and never sin. (Romans 3)

STUDENT: Recent polls show you surging... What do you attribute this surge to?HUCKABEE: There's only one explanation for it, and it's not a human one. It's the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people. (Applause) That's the only way that our campaign can be doing what it's doing. And I'm not being facetious nor am I trying to be trite. There literally are thousands of people across this country who are praying that a little will become much, and it has. And it defies all explanation, it has confounded the pundits. And I'm enjoying every minute of them trying to figure it out, and until they look at it, from a, just experience beyond human, they'll never figure it out.---Apart from anything else, Mr Huckabee, the feeding of the five thousand takes place during Jesus' ministry. He wasn't a "little boy", he was all grown up.This man used to be a minister? Shouldn't he have a vague familiarity with the Gospels?And now he wants to be President.

i think he's referring to the fish and bread being taken from a little boy. i think i recall a sunday school story about it. lemme look.
...nope. the fish and bread were in the possession of the disciples. he's a loon. it must be some stupid retelling to make kids feel important.(see? loon. that's a bash. but, it would seem, entirely justified.)it really makes me sick these people who presume to know the will of god. we are all astray. Mike Huckabee Equates Environmentalism with Pornography | Democracy Now!i wonder if he still stands by his view on environmentalism.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

He's talking about the John version of the story. See John 6That's the great thing about the Bible. You can support most any story with the material available.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

ah. i knew there was something about a little boy owning the food. too bad the internets only told me about mark. so sad.

Moreover, what is he going to say after this if he takes a nosedive? Will God have changed his mind? Started answering McCain supporter's prayers?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

i can't wait to see.i'm sure it'll be the evil atheists campaigning against his righteous campaign or some similar nonsense. cause you know. torture is god's anti-terrorism tactic.****this comment is related to mccain's strong stance against torture and the other candidate's failure to speak clearly on the subject, not some huckabee campaign promise for increased torture. he may have it, i don't know.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

I never said or alluded that you can only have morals if you are religious. What I said was that to expect someone to derive their morals anywhere else other than an avowed religion is silly, since that is where the moral originates for them.IOW, if you have a religion but don't believe in the precepts of that religion, then why even say you ascribe to it? Who then is the arbiter of such things? And if it is all relative, who are you to say which morals are greater or lesser? Once upon a time a certain sect, calling themselves Christians, tried to find some justification for their barbarism. Read the moral from the source and it is instantly discernable that they fell from grace. Then what basis do you have to criticize mine -- calling me immoral, as if it is supposed mean something to me other than you giving your opinion? People from all walks use whatever they can to impose their own agenda on someone else. The difference about a religion is that it is generally understood what is acceptable and what isn't. With an irreligious person as yourself, you have nothing to codify your morality. Its as fluid as the water so that it changes at the first hint of a contradiction.But really, this is all OT.We haven't spoken about Huckabee in quite some time. Outline for me all the things about Huckabee you disagree with.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman