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riVeRraT
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Message 8 of 62 (391768)
03-27-2007 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Percy
03-24-2007 9:44 AM


Second, while I want to be clear that I'm against the abuse of women, one of the things I've learned while raising a boy and a girl is the sheer enthusiasm with which both approach the idea of a penis in a vagina.
And just what would you attest that too?
The other day a gym teacher handed my kid 3 cd's of rap music, so he could download them into his ipod. At least half of those songs contained curses, and lyrics that talk about sex. My son is 12. I am a little pissed off right now.
From that to MTV, video games with violence and sex, and TV in general, even the disney channel has kids kissing kids on it. What else will our kids learn to do, and what will they then crave?

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riVeRraT
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Message 13 of 62 (391897)
03-27-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dan Carroll
03-27-2007 10:56 AM


Before cable TV?
Thats when the life expectency of people were like around 30 years old?
THen it would be necessary to be like that.
But seriously, there is a line between be able to have sex, and being responsible enough to have sex. 12 year children are not responsible enough. And they are doing it for all the wrong reasons, which leads to things like that which brenna speaks of.
Ever see the forty year old virgin? If you think that all people automatically become sexually active when reaching a certain age, your living in a dream world.
No teenager has ever been aroused by, say, watching paint dry, or counting linoleum tiles.
You speak from experience?

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riVeRraT
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Message 14 of 62 (391901)
03-27-2007 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Jazzns
03-27-2007 11:52 AM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
I am sure that you have a very good reason to be angry at your son's gym teacher and by no means do I have any right to question your parenting but don't you think it would have been better had you shown your son what popular fads are and why you agree or disagree with them?
Of course I did. My son's will learn everything from me, before they learn it from the world.
I haven't done anything to that teacher yet, because I am so pissed right now, I feel she should loose her job. Instead of reacting, I am waiting to cool off, so I can act.
This applies to sex education in the exact same way. To many parents have either no interest or don't think it is their responsibility to guide their kids about the topics and real world issues that they will inevitably be exposed to.
I already taught all that to my kid, before the school gave their version of it. Not saying that their version of it is wrong, I raher enjoyed my sex ed classes, and learned much from them, but they didn't teach me everything. Plus am I to trust teachers if they are giving my kids RATED material, that they shouldn't be listening to yet?
My kids are free to do whatever they want, as long as it meets the ratings, and they are passing there classes, and off drugs. If they watch a movie that is above their rating, I am there with them, to explain anything that they might not yet get yet.
I am willing to bet that if you removed all music, TV, video games, and advertisements from our culture and replaced it with classical music, Sessame Street, and Canasta that you would still have the exact same problems with teen pregnancy today as long as parents, or the school system as a surrogate, are taking a hands off approach to REAL sex education.
I understand why you feel that way, and I agree with you to an extent, but I would take that bet. from my conversations with older folk (older than me) things were much different back then (not saying back then was better) But the age at which most of this crazy stuff starts happening, seems to be happening a lot earlier. Even in the last 20 years.
there sure is a lot more to look at (sexual content) now for a young person, than there was back then, or even back to the pin-up days.
IF a young person is surrounded by obsenities, then it thats what becomes life for them.
I mean after all, it's ok to shove sexual content down our young generations throats, because we have abortion, so who cares?

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riVeRraT
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Message 15 of 62 (391902)
03-27-2007 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by macaroniandcheese
03-27-2007 3:10 PM


My response has nothing to do with what your saying brenna.
Masterbation cannot be stopped. IT certainly won't be, if we keep telling everyone it's ok to masterbate.
Ever think for a second that it's not ok? I stopped once for 3 months, it was very peaceful time in my life. I can honestly say that I am addicted to it. Maybe because I was always taught it was ok.
My post was about the psychological affects of this world on our younger generation, that leads to all the things you are against, but of course you could not see that, since your caught up in it maybe.
Where do you think kids learn to mis-treat woman, if its not their own parents?

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riVeRraT
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Message 17 of 62 (391960)
03-28-2007 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2007 8:12 AM


kids don't learn sex from the media either. they learn it from their own natural desires.
I know. This is so obvious, it's rather silly that people decided to comment on this obvious fact, and ridicule me, while totally missing the point.
Sex is good, sex is grand, but the question is, what kind of sex?
Example, in a rap MTV video, the women seem to be treated as objects, part of the rappers bling. What message is that sending to our children?

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riVeRraT
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Message 26 of 62 (392059)
03-28-2007 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dan Carroll
03-28-2007 11:23 AM


That being said, I didn't say everyone loses their virginity the second they get horny. Only that the fact of being a teenager makes a person hornier than every episode of Lilo & Stitch combined (or whatever they're showing on the Disney Channel these days).
Yes, teenagers are horny, thanks for pointing out the completely obvious. If you care to read the rest of my posts, you'll understand the point.

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riVeRraT
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Message 27 of 62 (392060)
03-28-2007 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2007 8:32 PM


Masturbation is ok, I never said it wasn't.
I mean in the grand scheme of things, it actually calms things down a bit. It kept me from sleeping around too much when I was younger. Who knows, maybe I would have AIDS by now.
I was raised being told it was ok. But the thing was, when I stopped for awhile, I noticed a big difference in my life. Now I don't do it nearly as much as I did before I experienced it. I think my spirit fights with my flesh over it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 28 of 62 (392062)
03-29-2007 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2007 3:52 PM


that mtv rap videos are made for adults and that their parents should be controlling the inputs their children are exposed to.
WOW Brenna, you've got to be kidding me.
So it's ok for a Public school teacher to give my 12 year old that same rap, yet I can't let him listen to it, or see it?

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riVeRraT
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Message 36 of 62 (392195)
03-29-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jazzns
03-29-2007 11:08 AM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
It is the actions that our kids take in life that mean something, not what they wear, not what music they listen to.
While I agree it is their actions that are paramount to how you get by in life, your actions can be partly dictated by your surroundings, which are influenced by the clothes you wear, and music you listen to. It seems like a paradox to me.
Similar to the theory behind why beatiful women are "high maintainence", and you are what you eat.
Many of them are perfectly willing to blatantly disobey their parents to investigate them for themselves if their parents don't fill the role of Tour Guide to the Real World.
That's fine, but at what age should we allow that to happen, and why are we marketing, and reaching these youger people so easily? can we blame it 100% on the parents? Why is it Hollywood, and game makers can get away with whatever they want? Why is it so easily attainable for youg people.
I remember when I first saw a gun shot on TV. I was about 7. There was a gun, and a shot, then you saw a dead person on the ground. There was no gore. My kids before they were 5 saw someone get their head blown off in a commercial break, on a Sunday during a basketball game. In full detail.

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riVeRraT
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Message 39 of 62 (392311)
03-30-2007 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by macaroniandcheese
03-29-2007 11:08 PM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
I see your point, but it also seems like you've lost touch with your childhood, and just how scary things can be to a 5 year old.
I don't see the need to implant that knowledge on such a young person.

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riVeRraT
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Message 41 of 62 (392364)
03-30-2007 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by macaroniandcheese
03-30-2007 1:53 PM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
so don't show shoot-em-up movies to a five year old.
Of course not, what good parent would?
Didn't you read when my kids saw that? It was a commercial break during a basketball game, on a Sunday afternoon.
if it's on the tv at prime time, then turn the tv off. sucks that you can't just leave your kids to their own divices, but i guess you should have thought about that before you had kids
I don't buy that for a second. Public TV should not be showing that stuff period. I mean whats next? Come on.
Plus, while I might be able to control my own kids, I can't control the kids of others who may be watchig that crap, and being corrupted by it, then my kids have to relate to them. What am I supposed to do, shut me and my kids off from the rest of the world?
grow up and stop blaming your laziness on hollywood.
Pretty heartless comment.
Maybe you should question the minds of those in hollywood, and their motives. I believe all their BS adds to the problems that you hate.
TV is a part of life now, and we should have a say in what goes on TV during what time. I exercise full parental control, but it seems the laws change faster than I can find out about it.
It's all about the subtlty of the gradual. Gradually things change, and we just take it. Try showing one of those movies to someone 40 years ago, and watch the shock on that persons face if they have never experienced anything like that before.
BTW, I don't blame hollywood completely. I blame us for allowing it, and buying that stuff.

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riVeRraT
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Message 46 of 62 (392510)
04-01-2007 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by anglagard
03-30-2007 5:29 PM


Re: RR Appeals to Censorship
What is this? Are you actually demanding that you be allowed to censor what I see or read or that you should be in control of how I raise my daughter based upon 'protecting' your kids from reality.
REALITY?
Having your head blown off in detail is hardly a reality for most of us, niether is Harry Potter, Nightmare on ELM st., etc. those things are not reality, they are fiction.
If I want my kids to learn about reality, they will watch documentaries with me, etc.
And no, to say that I want to censor what you watch is incorrect, and a false accusation. You can watch whatever you want. But when it comes to PUBLIC TV, it's another story. WE are the public, and WE have a say in what should be allowed to be shown.
Your OPINION is no better than my opinion, so get over it.
Your TV has a V-chip. Learn how to use it and stay out of my personal business.
Thank You.
V-chips don't always work. Of course I know how to use it.
Plus what I am talking about goes beyond what a V-chip can censor.
I don't like some of the ideals that are being taught to my kids over public television, yet I want them to enjoy the same right as the rest of us. I don't care what you think, but TV is programing our youth, plain and simple. I care about the future generations, and I don't like some of the things I see on PUBLIC television, and on cable.
I don't even see a difference between public TV and cable anymore, because today, you all need cable to get anything worth while watching.
I even wish to censor some of the televangilist I see, because I think they are liars. I am not for people scamming you over the airwaves, and teaching you false stuff.
Obviously when you say 'we' you really mean 'you' and those who agree with you should have the right to control what my family sees and hears.
No, the word "we" means we, we live in a democracy here in the US. Why would you change it?
I think your the one who wants to corrupt our youth now, and it's all a one way street for you. You'll go ahead and argue every word of what I said, until you can prove each word wrong on an individual level, and then miss the whole point.
I call bullshit. Who promoted you to public censor or propaganda minister?
What happen to we? You know what you can do with your bullshit.
If you can't stand stories with sex and violence then better throw that Bible away along with Shakespeare and Kurosawa.
If they are real, or appropiate for the age group watching, then it's ok.
It's not ok to see someone's head blown off in full detail during a basketball game break on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone who thinks otherwise should get there head examined.

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riVeRraT
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Message 47 of 62 (392511)
04-01-2007 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Cthulhu
03-31-2007 12:41 AM


Re: Kids need REAL sex education.
Well, judging from my drawings as a five year old, I'm going to go with not scary at all.
I won't even get into that one. Ever think of where those drawings came from?

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riVeRraT
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Message 50 of 62 (392538)
04-01-2007 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by DrJones*
04-01-2007 12:57 AM


Re: RR Appeals to Censorship
I have a very hard time believing that this is what was actually broadcast. Can you elaborate a little?
Was a long time ago, like maybe 6-7 years? It was a Knicks game.
Don't remember the movie.
{ABE}
I just used that as an extreme example, I wouoldn't have to wait long to see something else these days, and give you a current example, as it has only gotten worse.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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Message 51 of 62 (392539)
04-01-2007 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by ringo
04-01-2007 1:11 AM


Re: RR Appeals to Censorship
There's nothing public about it, except that it's made available to the public. You have no more right to say what they "should" broadcast than you have to say what colour they "should" paint their offices.
And who makes it available to the public?
Who controls the airwaves?
hint: FCC
Our elected government!

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