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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What is this? Are you actually demanding that you be allowed to censor what I see or read or that you should be in control of how I raise my daughter based upon 'protecting' your kids from reality. REALITY?Having your head blown off in detail is hardly a reality for most of us, niether is Harry Potter, Nightmare on ELM st., etc. those things are not reality, they are fiction. If I want my kids to learn about reality, they will watch documentaries with me, etc. And no, to say that I want to censor what you watch is incorrect, and a false accusation. You can watch whatever you want. But when it comes to PUBLIC TV, it's another story. WE are the public, and WE have a say in what should be allowed to be shown. Your OPINION is no better than my opinion, so get over it.
Your TV has a V-chip. Learn how to use it and stay out of my personal business. Thank You. V-chips don't always work. Of course I know how to use it.Plus what I am talking about goes beyond what a V-chip can censor. I don't like some of the ideals that are being taught to my kids over public television, yet I want them to enjoy the same right as the rest of us. I don't care what you think, but TV is programing our youth, plain and simple. I care about the future generations, and I don't like some of the things I see on PUBLIC television, and on cable.I don't even see a difference between public TV and cable anymore, because today, you all need cable to get anything worth while watching. I even wish to censor some of the televangilist I see, because I think they are liars. I am not for people scamming you over the airwaves, and teaching you false stuff.
Obviously when you say 'we' you really mean 'you' and those who agree with you should have the right to control what my family sees and hears. No, the word "we" means we, we live in a democracy here in the US. Why would you change it?I think your the one who wants to corrupt our youth now, and it's all a one way street for you. You'll go ahead and argue every word of what I said, until you can prove each word wrong on an individual level, and then miss the whole point. I call bullshit. Who promoted you to public censor or propaganda minister? What happen to we? You know what you can do with your bullshit.
If you can't stand stories with sex and violence then better throw that Bible away along with Shakespeare and Kurosawa. If they are real, or appropiate for the age group watching, then it's ok. It's not ok to see someone's head blown off in full detail during a basketball game break on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone who thinks otherwise should get there head examined.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well, judging from my drawings as a five year old, I'm going to go with not scary at all. I won't even get into that one. Ever think of where those drawings came from?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
It's not ok to see someone's head blown off in full detail during a basketball game break on a Sunday afternoon
I have a very hard time believing that this is what was actually broadcast. Can you elaborate a little? Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: But when it comes to PUBLIC TV, it's another story. I don't see why you call it "public" TV. There's nothing public about it, except that it's made available to the public. You have no more right to say what they "should" broadcast than you have to say what colour they "should" paint their offices. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I have a very hard time believing that this is what was actually broadcast. Can you elaborate a little? Was a long time ago, like maybe 6-7 years? It was a Knicks game.Don't remember the movie. {ABE}I just used that as an extreme example, I wouoldn't have to wait long to see something else these days, and give you a current example, as it has only gotten worse. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
There's nothing public about it, except that it's made available to the public. You have no more right to say what they "should" broadcast than you have to say what colour they "should" paint their offices. And who makes it available to the public?Who controls the airwaves? hint: FCC Our elected government!
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: Who controls the airwaves? The ability to "control the airwaves" via government doesn't give you the right to censor the content of those airwaves. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So turn off the TV.
Or get rid of it. I you don't think it is appropriate for your kids, and you aren't willing or able to control what they watch to the level that you wish, then don't have it in your house. You still haven't given a reason for why this isn't a reasonable solution.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3950 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
TV is a part of life now tv is not part of my life.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 859 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
riVeRat writes: REALITY?Having your head blown off in detail is hardly a reality for most of us, niether is Harry Potter, Nightmare on ELM st., etc. those things are not reality, they are fiction. If I want my kids to learn about reality, they will watch documentaries with me, etc. Fiction still speaks to the human condition, and the human condition is reality. Therefore fiction is not necessarily worthless in learning in the humanities or sciences, as your English teacher would say.
And no, to say that I want to censor what you watch is incorrect, and a false accusation.You can watch whatever you want. But when it comes to PUBLIC TV, it's another story. You say you want to censor public television more than it is censored today, and I watch public television. Therefore, you want to censor what I see. You just said it in the above three sentences which, by the way, contradict each other.
Your OPINION is no better than my opinion, so get over it. Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. My opinion is that public television has too much censorship and yours is that it has too little. We differ, so get over it. And stop using the term 'we' when you apparently have no intention of including 'me.'
V-chips don't always work. Of course I know how to use it. Plus what I am talking about goes beyond what a V-chip can censor. I don't like some of the ideals that are being taught to my kids over public television, yet I want them to enjoy the same right as the rest of us. I don't care what you think, but TV is programing our youth, plain and simple. I care about the future generations, and I don't like some of the things I see on PUBLIC television, and on cable.I don't even see a difference between public TV and cable anymore, because today, you all need cable to get anything worth while watching. You speak of others as if you know all about their lives, when you actually know little or nothing about my family, and I would venture to say not many others. To assume my family is "corrupt" because my daughter watched certain R-rated movies when a child is a complete act of hubris and shows a judgmental streak unworthy of a professed Christian. Do you think you are the only person who watches television with their child? Are you the only one who uses such material as a teaching opportunity for critical thinking? If you are not doing this, you may want to reconsider your attitude toward information since your kids can't remain innocent forever, nor would you want them to if you want them to survive. Do you not know knowledge is power? It is true that as a fan of Penn & Teller, among other sources, my daughter already knew the flaws in her abstinence-only sex-ed program and threatened to ask some embarrassing questions concerning the lies they taught in the program since she was forced to attend. For better or worse, she was sick that day. Yes, such 'adult' material on Showtime may corrupt people into not gullibly accepting whatever any authority figure says is true.
I even wish to censor some of the televangilist I see, because I think they are liars. I am not for people scamming you over the airwaves, and teaching you false stuff. That begs the question, what would you do with politicians, pundits, and propaganda vehicles such as Faux News?
No, the word "we" means we, we live in a democracy here in the US. Why would you change it? Who said anything about changing the form of government in the US?
I think your the one who wants to corrupt our youth now, and it's all a one way street for you. You'll go ahead and argue every word of what I said, until you can prove each word wrong on an individual level, and then miss the whole point. Well you got me there, I guess a librarian who provides people with information for free on a daily basis is a corrupting influence on our poor youth. This leads to an important point. Why should television be censored for those too poor to afford cable or satellite? Shouldn't all people have equal access to information regardless of money or power? Or are the ethics of the library profession too democratic for your tastes? I think that public TV and radio should be no more censored than public libraries. You have the right to turn off or get rid of your TV. Once you censor anything, I have lost my right to see what I want in the manner in which I wish. I don't think you realize the implications of what you are advocating. I know you have not thought them through regarding equality of access to information. ABE - This may make an interesting topic for another thread, this one is probably veering off. Edited by anglagard, : clarity and admin preemption
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
ABE - This may make an interesting topic for another thread, this one is probably veering off. You might even get Minnemooseus into the rant mode. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The ability to "control the airwaves" via government doesn't give you the right to censor the content of those airwaves. Of course it does, its called a democracy.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You still haven't given a reason for why this isn't a reasonable solution. Are you joking me?I don't need to give you a REASON why. I like TV, and so do my kids, it is just as much a right for us to watch it as the next person. And since it is public, and regulated by OUR government, then I can have a say in it, whether you agree with me or not. All my kids friends watch TV, am I supposed to isolate them from the world? Don't you always preach against doing such things, then label me as a cult? Why does it have to be one or the other?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
It is located at EvC Forum: Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?.
All relevant messages should now go to that topic. (Feelin' like givin' out a suspension) Adminnemooseus
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Fiction still speaks to the human condition, and the human condition is reality. Therefore fiction is not necessarily worthless in learning in the humanities or sciences, as your English teacher would say. Yes, but is fiction a privelage or a necessity?Fiction is rated. You say you want to censor public television more than it is censored today, and I watch public television. Therefore, you want to censor what I see. You just said it in the above three sentences which, by the way, contradict each other. No, I meant I don't want to control EVERYTHING you watch. More than it is cencored today? You say that like it is getting worse, not better for you. Do a 30 year comparison, Ithink you'll see the firection we are heading. AS a matter of fact it happened again today. Sunday afternoon, watching a basketball game, and on comes a commercial for desperate housewifes. A show that glamorizes women cheating, and in the commercial there is sexual content, thaty I would consider not appropiate for children under a certain age. Why do I need to see that crap?
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. My opinion is that public television has too much censorship and yours is that it has too little. We differ, so get over it. And stop using the term 'we' when you apparently have no intention of including 'me.' me, that is you have been getting your way for years. What are you complaining about? You'll have to justify why it is good for a kid who is 4 years old to see someone getting their head blown off during a commercial break, on a Sunday afternoon during a basketball game. Wait never mind, you can't.
To assume my family is "corrupt" because my daughter watched certain R-rated movies when a child is a complete act of hubris and shows a judgmental streak unworthy of a professed Christian. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, I thought you were above that. Let me ask you a question, do you blindly let your 5 year children watch r rated movies?
That begs the question, what would you do with politicians, pundits, and propaganda vehicles such as Faux News? I am not familiar with faux news. In general I am not happy with news. I think there is little accountability with them, and they can basically report anything the way they want. It's only ability to read between the lines, can we get some idea of the actual story. Why must we live this way? I think it programs us into a world of lies and deception being ok.
Who said anything about changing the form of government in the US? Because you keep saying "me" while I keep saying we.
Why should television be censored for those too poor to afford cable or satellite? Well I guess that is a whole other topic there. But in short television is a luxury, not a necessity.
Shouldn't all people have equal access to information regardless of money or power? Real information, yes. Fiction no. With fiction, it becomes a luxury.
Or are the ethics of the library profession too democratic for your tastes? My cousin is a librarian for the science part of the main branch in NYC, I have much respect for her.
I have lost my right to see what I want in the manner in which I wish. I don't see that as a right with public television, when it comes to fiction.
This may make an interesting topic for another thread, this one is probably veering off. Ok I'll stop.{ABE} just noticed the new thread, oops. Message off-topic. See previous message. Bulk of this message was rendered invisible (use "peek" if you must see it), but I restored it to visible prior to closing topic. - Adminnemooseus Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Undid previous edit.
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