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Author Topic:   The word Man is inherently confusing/sexist? Oh the huMANity!
FliesOnly
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Message 57 of 90 (345002)
08-30-2006 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Hyroglyphx
08-30-2006 3:35 AM


Re: What's at stake?
Hello nemesis-juggernaut:
nemesis-juggernaut writes:
But where a male might excel in is in analytical thinking on practical matters.
This is just the sort of crap that Crashfrog is talking about. Do you know any college educated women at all? Why do you make the assumption that a man will excel in "analytical thinking on practical matters" but when faced with the same situation a women would probably start to cry? You must have spent you entire life around weak people.
menesis-juggernaut writes:
I have no problem with femininity. In fact, I encourage it.
So I guess you make your wife wear a French-maid outfit while she does all the cooken and cleanin fer ya.
nemesis-juggernaut writes:
What I have a problem with is Feminism, which I believe, is anti-feminine and seeks not the equality of males but the superiority over males.
Where do you get this shit? Ok, so your version of the feminist movement means that women secretly want to be men. Most of us here on realityville see it more as a desire for women to be treated equally. You know, like paying a women the same as her male counterparts.
nemisis-juggernaut writes:
Where physical attributes would be critical is in a tactical situation where lives are on the line. I would much rather take a man into combat with me than I would a woman for a variety of reasons.
I can guarantee you this, nemesis-juggernnaut, if I had to go into a battle and I had to chose between taking either you or my wife...you would be left sitting on the sidelines. Odds are she can shoot better than you, can handle a knife far better than you, and if you piss her off...holy shit...watch out! She can make quick decisions (she does it all the time) and I would trust her with my life. With you, however, based on what I read of yours, if you found out I was all for equal rights, have no problems with Affirmative Action, and think that gays should be allowed to marry, I'm afraid that if push came to shove...I'd be a dead man.
nemesis-juggernaut writes:
Here is a great little essay I found. This basically elucidates how I feel about Feminism:...blah...blah...blah
Wow! What an unbelievable pile of shit. I'm stunned that you had the guts to show it to us. I mean seriously...holy crap!

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FliesOnly
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From: Michigan
Joined: 12-01-2003


Message 61 of 90 (345024)
08-30-2006 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Silent H
08-30-2006 10:00 AM


Re: What's at stake?
Hello Holmes:
Oh no, am I now too to be subjected to the wrath of Holmes? Well you can fuck off... Ha...sorry...I couldn't resist...I'm just kidding...don't get me suspended...but how could I pass that one up?
Holmes writes:
While outrageously stated, especially toward the end, I think there is a grain of truth within jug's post. Some of the feminist movement appears to hold the position suggested.
So what? To use your argument, let's say 1% of women involved in the feminist movement secretly want to be men...does that mean nemesis-juggernaut's blanket opinion of the movement is valid?
Holmes writes:
And there is a disdain towards women that choose to have kids and raise a family as if that were somehow not normal, the "normal" role being almost a cardboard cutout of the stereotypical man.
I'm sorry, but I really don't see this in the real World. I am not personally aware of any of the women I know that have chosen to raise a family (as opposed to seek a career) being looked down upon. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.
I find nemesis-juggernaut's writings to be that of a sexist (and to a lesser extent...racist) individual. Hey, I'm cool with that...to each his own, but to claim that the feminist movement is all about women wanting to be masculine is a pile of shit. I mean, the whole concept that somehow if a women stays home and raises her kids, they will turn out better than . say . a women that has a career is so absolutely sexist, and as far as I know . completed unsupported, that I am stunned he even suggested it.
I work at a University and I was walking passed an office of one of our female professors talking with another one of our female professors. I stopped in and asked them straight out, what the feminist movement meant to them. They both said "equal treatment to men", primarily referring to pay. I then asked another group of four grad Students and was told basically the same thing. Interestingly, one of the professors I talked to has a family (two kids) and I have met (and played with them numerous times) and trust me...these are two great kids. So the bullshit about women being somehow terrible mother’s cuz they also chose to work is just that...bullshit.
As you yourself said Holmes, career mothers are often great parents as well, so the nonsense that nemesis-juggernaut included towards the end of his post, to me, goes a long way towards expressing his rather sexist view of the feminist movement, and the "proper" role of women in our society.

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FliesOnly
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Message 67 of 90 (345089)
08-30-2006 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Hyroglyphx
08-30-2006 12:00 PM


Re: What's at stake?
Hello Again:
n-j writes:
Look, its a FACT that MOST men are more mathematically inclined towards analytical thinking than women. Its also a FACT that women are stronger verbally than men. Their grasp of language comprehension is typically far greater than that of their male counterparts.
How is this a FACT? You have data to support this? Or will you admit that any possible truth to this is the result of learned behaviors, not genetics. In other words, the very thing feminists are complaining about.
j-n writes:
. And this is precisely what I meant by women and men sharing different strengths and weaknesses. So, the whole 'sexist' plea is ridiculous.
So what you're saying here, is that in the business World, a CEO can react to a given situation in one of two ways, the correct "male way" and the incorrect "female way". What a crock of shit.
n-j writes:
You have completely distorted my post. Who said that a woman faced with a difficult situation would start crying? Who said that?! It sure wasn't me.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say I completely distorted your post. I may have embellished a bit, but I only did it based on how I interpreted your post. You said she would "inject emotion into her response" (or words to that effect), and I took that to mean "crying". Maybe I should have said she would just have a "hissy fit".
n-j writes:
It was also her idea. I suppose I wasn't supposed to be attracted to her either, eh
Nope, not at all. Personally, I hope you had a blast.
n-j writes:
As for cooking and cleaning, she usually cooks and I usually cleans. Anymore personal questions for me that bear no relevance to the subject?
Well, none right now...but maybe a bit later. And it bears on the topic in that you seem to be saying that the traditional gender roles are great and you see no reason to change them...feminists are nothing but a bunch of dykes and a women’s place is in the home, raising the kids.
n-j writes:
I'm saying that its subconciously evident that feminists are far from exhibiting feminine qualities and sure seem to covet or desire masculine traits. Paying women the same wage as a man has nothing to do with feminism, they only use that as a wedge strategy.
Where to you get this stuff? I would consider my wife a feminist and trust me, she exhibits plenty of feminine qualities. I've seen her naked and we've even had sex (she's very flexible). But she also is strong willed, doesn't back down from confrontation, is way more intelligent than I and most guys I know (and remember, I work at a University), and isn't afraid to get dirty.
Again, in reality-ville, paying women the same wage as men has everything to do with feminism. Have you asked any women lately how they view the feminist movement? Granted, my sample size today is small (8) but each and every one of them I've talked to today desires equal pay and equal treatment for the same job.
n-j writes:
That was a great testimony. Sounds like your wife has anger problems.
Why's that...cuz she doesn't act like you think a female should? As it turns out, she happens to love hunting and is an accomplished taxidermist. Guess that makes her a lesbian, eh. What if I made the same statement but inserted the word "brother" where is now says "wife". Then it'd be ok? No anger management issues to speak of then I guess, eh.
n-j writes:
It was a good essay--
It was a terrible essay. Written, more likely than not, by a conservative fundamentalist that thinks that the perfect women is one that is barefoot, pregnant and "serving her man".
Edited by FliesOnly, : I'm gonna be out of town for a few days (400 mile bike ride...DALMAC), so I will be unsable to respond for a bit...sorry.

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