The word Man is inherently confusing/sexist? Oh the huMANity!

I really think holmes does a great job of keeping the "science's defenders" honest. There is a lot of bullcrap that gets spread around and just because someone is historically on the "evo" side of things does not make them inherently right about everything.I think holmes is spot on about you and schraf. There are few on this board that are immune from thinking they are always right about something and resorting to what are commonly creationists tactics to avoid having to admit it.There are some issues I don't even feel like getting in with you because of how you previously admitted that you don't read the entirety of your opponents posts. Ever since the discussion about Christian representation, it has made it clear to me that you are as perfectly capable of being as dogmatic as a creationist. At least they have an excuse, they are handicapped by holding and unmaintainable fantasy as a worldview.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Hopefully to clear something up. I didn't mean to make as drastic a connection between you and "creationist tactics" as I did crash. When reading yours and holmes I do tend to feel that holmes puts forth the better foot but that is just my subjective opinion. Sorry to group you to heavily. Crash and I have a history that I am basing my opinion off of.I actually regret the previous post. Not only was it off topic it was dragging out old grudges I have with crash in the old thread. While I don't think I was incorrect, I don't think this was the time or place if ever to bring it up.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Forget I brought it up. I stand by my opinion but it was innappropriate of me to bring it up here. If you want to hash it out somewhere else I would be willing to try to see eye-to-eye.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Holmes and schraff,While I think if everyone is amiable to a discussion on this meta issues that it would be really cool to have a thread on it. I am sorry for dragging the thread off topic. I should not have taken crash's bait.I really would like to see eye-to-eye with everybody because I think that for the most part we all share quite common ground. I would like nothing more than to befriend crash among others. It seems like we have a lot in common such as Warcraft, etc. Ever since that Pat Robertson thread though, I feel like there is less debate about positions and more plain old poo slinging. I'll be the first to admit that I can sometimes try less than as hard as I could to see my opponents position but I feel that for some it does not even cross their mind. Maybe the proverbial banging of our heads against the wall of creationist illogic and dishonesty has hardened our hearts into giving other people the benefit of the doubt and really trying to listen to each other.I don't know if that is reasonable. I don't know if everybody would be willing to try on their opponents shoes. If they do they might find out that they fit quite well.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)