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Author Topic:   Limestone Layers and the Flood
jar
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Message 13 of 128 (294645)
03-12-2006 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Christian
03-12-2006 6:48 PM


how small is small.
You need to remember that most of the creatures that produce limestone start off really, really small; diatoms. These things are microscopic to begin with, although sometimes you can see colonies of them with the unaided eye.
You can get an idea of just how small these suckers are here.

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Message 43 of 128 (296462)
03-18-2006 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by NosyNed
03-18-2006 10:28 AM


Re: The micrographs
Ned, not sure this will help but here are a couple I found.
Photomicrographs of Limestone.
And another from the Miami Limestone Formation.

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Message 52 of 128 (296527)
03-18-2006 8:45 PM
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03-18-2006 5:25 PM


On belief
Just remember that you certainly never have to give up Christianity or your beliefs in GOD, Jesus or any of the essentials to accept either an old earth or the Theory of Evolution. There is no conflict between Science and Christianity.

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Message 59 of 128 (296596)
03-19-2006 12:39 PM
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03-18-2006 10:04 PM


Coral and limestone.
4. If almost all limestone was produced organically in shallow seas, and since today, organic limestone is primarily produced within 30 miles of the equator, why is it that limestone layers an cement are not concentrated near the equator, but found at all latitudes?
See, this is the kind of statement that Walt makes that should raise a red flag and get you to toss the book away.
Are the Great Barrier Reefs within 30 miles of the equater? How about Gray's Reef off the coast of Georgia? How about those in Florida or Baha, those in the South Pacific or off South Africa?
In addition, this ignores other sources that lead to limestone like the diatoms that live in waters all over the world.
3."If a microscopic limestone crystal grows in a magnesium-rich solution, magnesium ions will, under certain conditions, occupy or replace exactly half the calcium ion locations in limestone, forming a common mineral called dolomite"
Since dolomite is not secreted by any known organism, where did the necessary magnesium come from to create the dolomite?
Well, if you look at a periodic chart you will find that magnesium is in the same family as calcium, and higher in the family. It is a common part of sea water so it's not surprising at all.
AbE: In addition, magnesium ions are found in almost all living organisms.
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Message 64 of 128 (296620)
03-19-2006 2:18 PM
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03-19-2006 2:10 PM


Death and Carbon dioxide.
IIRC, CO2 levels above 20% are enough to lead to fatality.
Found where I saw it.

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Message 98 of 128 (299000)
03-28-2006 1:39 PM
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03-28-2006 11:56 AM


On the nature of "Problems" and problems.
Let me insert a quiet word here if I may on the nature of problems.
There are lots of "Problems" in all sciences. What this means is either that there is no answer right now that satisfies all the conditions, or there are multiple answers and one or even all of them may be correct.
But a "Problem" is not a problem!
Problems are the frontiers, they are the places where once we do understand what's happening, we will gain a whole new insight into our universe.
One thing a "Problem" never is. It is NEVER a place to just stop looking and stick in goddidit.

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Message 103 of 128 (299454)
03-29-2006 7:21 PM
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03-29-2006 7:09 PM


On goddidit
But Walt's only explanation is goddidit. The whole idea of a Flood is solely based on goddidit. There is simply no evidence otherwise that there ever was a Flood and tons of evidence that there was not one.
Speculation on imagined issues does not add weight, however any one of the many existing evidences will falsify be enough to falsify the idea.
Walt's solution for dolomite is that it happened during the Flood. The whole concept of the Flood is a goddidit solution and the Flood has been falsified.

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Message 106 of 128 (299478)
03-29-2006 8:43 PM
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03-29-2006 8:34 PM


One small question.
I was under the assumption that most limestone was originally made of the bodies of diatoms and other similar sized critters. IIRC they are really, really small critters, but often the limestone layers are hundreds to thousands of feet thick. Is that correct?

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