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NosyNed
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Message 8 of 262 (401027)
05-17-2007 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nuggin
05-17-2007 9:10 PM


Re: Evidence
The first question is how do we know any of the evidence is valid. We know that eyewitness accounts, at their very best, are of marginal value.
Perhaps all the photos/films are fake? I've never seen really good one fake or not. Do you have a place to look at any?
I've never seen anything about the detailed cast. Do you have reference?
The only reference I've ever seen to a hair sample was one shown to be a bear. Do you have details?
Oral histories are worth even less than a current eye witness account.
In all this suggests that there is, in fact, very little evidence and maybe no hard evidence at all.
What is there?

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NosyNed
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Message 11 of 262 (401085)
05-18-2007 10:52 AM
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05-18-2007 5:13 AM


teen footage
he most "real" footage I ever saw was taken by a pair of teens.
I'm pretty sure I saw that one recently. The teens certainly were excited. The image is pretty dreadful but it screams "bear". If this is what you think is evidence then I guess that explains your interest in bigfoot.
Pandas and mountain Gorillas were discovered over a century ago. The world has changed rather a lot you know.
It feels like you're clutching at straws. You've decided you like the idea of these things (I do too.) and you're looking for a way to justtify it.
Oral "histories" are loaded with all sorts of things. Selecting the ones that you like and thinking they are evidence is a form (I think) of confirmation bias.

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NosyNed
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Message 23 of 262 (401129)
05-18-2007 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by New Cat's Eye
05-18-2007 12:46 PM


primate hair
I think the results came back that the hair was from an unknown primate.
Betcha it's not true or a lousily controlled analysis. That's what always happens when the "evidence" is zeroed in on. It fades.

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NosyNed
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Message 26 of 262 (401140)
05-18-2007 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Nuggin
05-18-2007 1:53 PM


A pattern emerges...
Don't you see Nuggin? There is a pattern here already.
Anytime anything is looked at at all closely it turns out to be purple smoke. You've not yet given any evidence at all! You've just heard about this or that but have nothing with any substance.
There reason for not accepting BigFoot is the pattern. When something with some substance is examined more closely the possiblity is strengthened. When something without substance is examined each case fades into fuzz or solid refutation.
You seem to agree the we don't have any reliable (or even very clear) photographic evidence.
We know that individuals keep mistaking what they are seeing. You seem to think the more that happens there more likely there is something behind it. The reverse is true: it only shows that individuals will see 'things' and get it wrong. The more they do the more you should expect this is what is happening with a new case.
Folk tales are a hint to look. They are not in themselves evidence for a darn thing.
Pulling the "look what was found in..." is the same as the "they laughed at so-and-so line". Yea, yea, but most of the time when they laugh they were correct too. This only says it is not impossible it doesn't say anything about it's degree of truth. If it was clearly impossible it would be ruled out so we don't need to know, more than we do, that it is possible.
What we need is some substantial reason for thinking it is so. You haven't shown us a scrap of it yet. Just rumours of this or that.
ABE
Are these people unable to distinguish between a bipedal primate and a bison?
Yes! They are (unable that is (abe) ). In the case of the article that nator linked to:
quote:
...he and other locals heard a large, mysterious animal in the brush. ...
Note: They heard a something.
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Edited by NosyNed, : clarify

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NosyNed
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Message 33 of 262 (401202)
05-18-2007 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Nuggin
05-18-2007 4:42 PM


Being clear
Even tossing all that stuff out, there are still a good number of accounts in which the people are quite clear about what they saw.
Well, we come from different places.
I've stood next to someone hoping up and down and screaming about the flying saucer he was witnessing. It was just like what was described on the radio at the time (which is why we were looking). Windows, moving fast over the city, changing direction and speed abruptly and flashing with different colored lights on the edge.
For several minutes he pointed and described it to me. He was very clear. It took me that long to figure out what he was actually looking at.

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