Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
7 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,840 Year: 4,097/9,624 Month: 968/974 Week: 295/286 Day: 16/40 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   2004 Summer Olympics
Straggler
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 61 of 109 (670872)
08-20-2012 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
08-20-2012 12:21 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Mod writes:
I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics.
I do to. But it could definitely do with some "de-corporitisation" and be made more "for the people" rather than such a massive VIP get-together.
But I don't know how we might go about doing that....

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Modulous, posted 08-20-2012 12:21 PM Modulous has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 72 by dronestar, posted 08-21-2012 9:11 AM Straggler has not replied

  
bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2505 days)
Posts: 3119
From: U.K.
Joined: 01-24-2007


Message 62 of 109 (670873)
08-20-2012 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by dronestar
08-20-2012 12:15 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
dronester writes:
What is this? "National Irony Day"?
My sarcasm was warranted because I knew that you were implying something that you couldn't support. And, of course, you won't be able to support what you were implying with your "coincidence" comment, will you?
Are you going to give us evidence that the BBC was intentionally breaking the rules under which it operates, or not?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 59 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 12:15 PM dronestar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 12:48 PM bluegenes has replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 63 of 109 (670874)
08-20-2012 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
08-20-2012 12:21 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Mod writes:
That was earth humour.
Ahhh. A winking emoticon is often useful. I am guilty of not using them often enough too.
Mod writes:
Yes, probably [found it amusing].
Ok. Again a winking emoticon or expanded thought would have been helpful. Or perhaps a quoted "yes" to tip me off.
Mod writes:
That wasn't the only value in the Olympic games - there was all the buildings built, and infrastructure improvements, and the sport itself, of course.
Good, thanks, that reply is more helpful to understand your argument.
Mod writes:
Did you think I'm a fucking moron or something?
No, of course not. I am usually most pleased with your attentive responses, however, your recent replies are not as careful/thoughtful as they usually are.
Mod writes:
I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics.
Then perhaps a compromise is best. Maybe a price tag of one billion pounds would be sufficient?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Modulous, posted 08-20-2012 12:21 PM Modulous has seen this message but not replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 64 of 109 (670875)
08-20-2012 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by bluegenes
08-20-2012 12:42 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
BG writes:
My sarcasm was warranted
Ahh, so this is "National Exceptionalism Day."
BG writes:
Are you going to give us evidence that the BBC was intentionally breaking the rules under which it operates, or not?
That is a queer question when I had already stated:
Drone writes:
It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident':

This message is a reply to:
 Message 62 by bluegenes, posted 08-20-2012 12:42 PM bluegenes has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 65 by bluegenes, posted 08-20-2012 12:58 PM dronestar has replied

  
bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2505 days)
Posts: 3119
From: U.K.
Joined: 01-24-2007


Message 65 of 109 (670876)
08-20-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by dronestar
08-20-2012 12:48 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
dronester writes:
That is a queer question when I had already stated: It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident':
Do you mean that that phrase wasn't meant to imply that it probably was not an accident? Your reply to my conspiracy comment seems to indicate that you think that the BBC was involved in corruption. If it was, heads should roll, which is why I'm asking you for evidence.
Got any?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 12:48 PM dronestar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 66 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 1:27 PM bluegenes has replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 66 of 109 (670877)
08-20-2012 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by bluegenes
08-20-2012 12:58 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Drone writes:
It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident':
Your replies seem to imply you want to attack my quoted opinion more than the much bigger issue that the DOW corporation is getting publicity and giving sponsorship to Olympic games that have hypocritically promoted themselves as the greenest Olympic games in history.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by bluegenes, posted 08-20-2012 12:58 PM bluegenes has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 67 by bluegenes, posted 08-20-2012 1:56 PM dronestar has not replied

  
bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2505 days)
Posts: 3119
From: U.K.
Joined: 01-24-2007


(1)
Message 67 of 109 (670880)
08-20-2012 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by dronestar
08-20-2012 1:27 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
dronester writes:
Your replies seem to imply you want to attack my quoted opinion more than the much bigger issue that the DOW corporation is getting publicity and giving sponsorship to Olympic games that have hypocritically promoted themselves as the greenest Olympic games in history.
Note that I did not argue against your views on DOW, its environmental record, or its appropriateness in the Olympics at all.
But it's only natural that I should be interested in what seemed to me to be an only slightly veiled accusation of corruption in another corporation of which I happen to be part owner, and whose standards of behaviour are important to me.
As for corporate sponsorship of the Olympics by DOW or anyone else, I'd do away with it entirely. The companies pass the costs onto consumers anyway, so the idea that we get things cheaper in this way is actually an illusion. In fact, the cost of the billboard is passed on too. We could put a Olympics tax on large companies instead, which would also get passed on to consumers in the same way, but at least we'd save the bloody billboard costs.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 1:27 PM dronestar has not replied

  
Panda
Member (Idle past 3740 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 68 of 109 (670904)
08-20-2012 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by dronestar
08-20-2012 12:13 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Panda writes:
If you want to make up some shit, you'll have to do it yourself.
dronester writes:
It seems you made up baseless shit yourself.
As expected, you didn't need my help with making up more baseless shit.
/golfclap

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

This message is a reply to:
 Message 58 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 12:13 PM dronestar has not replied

  
caffeine
Member (Idle past 1052 days)
Posts: 1800
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Joined: 10-22-2008


Message 69 of 109 (670913)
08-21-2012 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by dronestar
08-20-2012 11:02 AM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Hee. Yeah, you're right bluegenes, it was crazy for me to think the Olympic organizers or a major corporate network would actually care about a very, very, very, very, very rich sponsor/client. As if money could somehow be, . . . . gasp, . . . influential or corrupting. What was I thinking?
Dow is not a sponsor or client of the BBC, though. The BBC doesn't have any sponsors - it's paid for out of public funds.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 54 by dronestar, posted 08-20-2012 11:02 AM dronestar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 70 by dronestar, posted 08-21-2012 9:02 AM caffeine has not replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 70 of 109 (670936)
08-21-2012 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by caffeine
08-21-2012 3:38 AM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
caffeine writes:
Dow is not a sponsor or client of the BBC, though. The BBC doesn't have any sponsors - it's paid for out of public funds.
Hi Caffeine,
Can there be 100% separation between an event that is FULLY corporate sponsored and the media which is covering the corporate sponsored event. The recent BBC gaff is but one possible way for contamination to happen. (Of all the corporations to get a free plug, it just had to be DOW?, grrr.) But, Ok, thanks for the information Caffeine.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 69 by caffeine, posted 08-21-2012 3:38 AM caffeine has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by Straggler, posted 08-21-2012 9:10 AM dronestar has replied

  
Straggler
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


(1)
Message 71 of 109 (670937)
08-21-2012 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by dronestar
08-21-2012 9:02 AM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Link writes:
The BBC was forced to reposition cameras in its London 2012 Olympic Park studio, after giving free advertising to controversial official sponsor Dow Chemical in the buildup to Danny Boyle's opening ceremony.
BBC production staff had to make the hurried adjustment after a Dow Chemical giant billboard wrap on the outside of the Westfield Stratford shopping centre was clearly visible to viewers through the studio window during the Opening Ceremony Countdown programme on Friday 27 July.
They were alerted to the inadvertent gaffe, which breaks the BBC's editorial guidelines, in time to shift the camera positions for the 9am BBC1 Olympics show the following morning, Saturday 28 July.
"As soon as we became aware that there was undue prominence for a commercial brand within camera shot, we changed the angle of the camera," said a spokesman for the BBC.
Link
Drone writes:
Can there be 100% separation between an event that is FULLY corporate sponsored and the media which is covering the corporate sponsored event.
Probably not. But most broadcasters embrace or exploit the sponsorship angle whereas the BBc often goes to vaguely ridiculous lengths to try and avoid it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by dronestar, posted 08-21-2012 9:02 AM dronestar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 73 by dronestar, posted 08-21-2012 9:32 AM Straggler has replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 72 of 109 (670938)
08-21-2012 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Straggler
08-20-2012 12:40 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Mod writes:
I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics.
Strag writes:
I do to.
When I read your reply, I thought of Charlton Heston's monologue in the original "Planet of the Apes" movie . . .
quote:
Tell me, though. Does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?
Maybe you don't find the quote relative at all. Regardless, can you expand your thought? How would the human race and human experience suffer if the olympics were canceled?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 61 by Straggler, posted 08-20-2012 12:40 PM Straggler has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 82 by Phat, posted 08-22-2012 4:33 PM dronestar has replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 73 of 109 (670944)
08-21-2012 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Straggler
08-21-2012 9:10 AM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
STRAG writes:
But most broadcasters embrace or exploit the sponsorship angle whereas the BBc often goes to vaguely ridiculous lengths to try and avoid it.
If the BBC TRULY wanted to go to ridiculous lengths to avoid corporate sponsors, then perhaps they would only allow the corporate media to cover corporate sponsored events?
I liked Bluegenes suggestion . . .
BG writes:
As for corporate sponsorship of the Olympics by DOW or anyone else, I'd do away with it entirely.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by Straggler, posted 08-21-2012 9:10 AM Straggler has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 74 by Straggler, posted 08-21-2012 10:27 AM dronestar has not replied

  
Straggler
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 74 of 109 (670956)
08-21-2012 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by dronestar
08-21-2012 9:32 AM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
The corporate media is constantly campaigning to remove the BBC from broadcasting anything that people actually want to watch. It pisses them off considerably that the BBC does cover such events and that people would rather watch the BBC coverage of such things. For this reason, even if no other, I would retain the BBC coverage of the Olympics.
And I agree with Bluegenes regarding corporate sponsorship too..

This message is a reply to:
 Message 73 by dronestar, posted 08-21-2012 9:32 AM dronestar has not replied

  
dronestar
Member
Posts: 1417
From: usa
Joined: 11-19-2008
Member Rating: 6.4


Message 75 of 109 (671094)
08-22-2012 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
08-20-2012 12:21 PM


Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
I asked the same question to Straggler but he seemed to have difficulty replying . . .
Mod writes:
I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics.
Strag writes:
I do to.
When I read your replies, I thought of Charlton Heston's monologue in the original "Planet of the Apes" movie . . .
quote:
Tell me, though. Does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?
Maybe you don't find the quote relative at all. Regardless, can you expand your thought? How would the human race and human experience suffer if the olympics were canceled?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Modulous, posted 08-20-2012 12:21 PM Modulous has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 76 by Modulous, posted 08-22-2012 12:47 PM dronestar has replied
 Message 77 by Straggler, posted 08-22-2012 12:58 PM dronestar has replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024