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crashfrog
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Message 271 of 298 (156985)
11-07-2004 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by DarkStar
11-07-2004 2:07 PM


Re: HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!
That's a great sign.

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bob_gray
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Message 272 of 298 (156986)
11-07-2004 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by RAZD
11-05-2004 1:31 PM


Re: Worst case?
Very true. Unfortunately, I think that Rhenquist isn't even the oldest so it isn't inconceivable that more may step down. Shrub (I love that) may get the chance to appoint two.

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 273 of 298 (156988)
11-07-2004 3:11 PM


Here are 2 maps. Note the similarities.

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

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RAZD
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Posts: 20714
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Message 274 of 298 (156997)
11-07-2004 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Silent H
11-07-2004 5:40 AM


marriage issue
lets be clear: these measures passed with a greater margin than bush over kerry in every state.
that means that dems agreed with it as well as repubs, but that it didn't affect their perception of the reality of bush's administration.
the fact that the GOP used this issue in "battleground" states to bring out certain voters just means that those voters were used.
the fact that the GOP also sent out posters to registered republicans that lied about kerry's position means that they are liars.
and they could still only just barely beat the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in a national election, a candidate who even losing got more votes than any previous president, even more than bush in 2000.
yeah, that sure is out of touch.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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RAZD
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Message 275 of 298 (156999)
11-07-2004 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by coffee_addict
11-07-2004 3:11 PM


good point Lam ... it looks like the places where suppression of rights for some people was acceptable in the "bad old days" are the ones that don't have problems with it now.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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mark24
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Message 276 of 298 (157060)
11-07-2004 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by coffee_addict
11-07-2004 3:11 PM


Spooky.
Coincidence? I really am beginning to think not.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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coffee_addict
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Message 277 of 298 (157076)
11-07-2004 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by mark24
11-07-2004 7:48 PM


Of course, not. There are people in the world that need to be better than other people. They needed to be better than negros. They needed to segregate them. They need to feel superior. When it stopped being ok to put down black people, they went around looking for new victims. They picked on the Irish, Italians, Mexicans, etc. Homosexuals are just their latest victims.

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

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JIM
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Message 278 of 298 (157085)
11-07-2004 10:27 PM


Along with President Bush winning his bid for reelection the House and Senate each fell further into Republican control. The House now has 231 Republicans to 200 Democrats, with one Independent. The Senate, which is by far more important, now holds 55 Republicans and 44 Democrats, with one Independent.
So what does all of this mean to us?
As far as the President goes, it means that we will continue to see this man act without regard for the consequences of his actions. And why should he? There will be no true investigations of the war crimes committed at Abu Grahb and more than a ten other bases. We will not see a Congressional investigation into the way that the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act has been used or into the secretive actions of this administration. We won’t even see the President being forced to justify the war in Iraq in any logical fashion. Instead we will continue to hear the same lame excuses that have been bantered about for the last few months: Don’t criticize or question the President during a time of war; We’re at war, so you don’t need to know why this Administration is looking at your library records; Saddam Hussein was a bad man.
The federal budget will continue to rise toward three trillion dollars as this Republican congress will not fight against the President for fear that votes against his agenda will come back to haunt them. This will lead to more foolish weapon programs, like the bunker buster nuclear missiles, and unworkable defense programs (case in point, the missile defense shield).
But the real concern for our nation lies not in any of this, but in the Supreme Court. Why is this important to us? Because of what President Bush has said he will look for in his next appointment to the Court. He will not, as any President should, look for a justice that holds the law of this nation in the highest regard — higher even than his religion or political conventions — but rather he will look to appoint a ‘conservative’ Justice. This ‘conservative’ Justice is not going to be of the traditional model (i.e. a Justice who believes in state rights before federal rights). Instead she is going to be (1.) a justice that considers her religion far more important than the law of the land; (2.) a justice that holds her personal political beliefs as more important that the law of the land; and (3.) a justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade (1973).
To pick a Supreme Court Justice on the grounds of the first criteria is unacceptable. To pick one because of the second is criminal.
What are we to do about this intolerable situation?
Other than contact our Senators and praying: nothing. Regardless both don't work.

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Yaro
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Message 279 of 298 (157098)
11-07-2004 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by JIM
11-07-2004 10:27 PM


Crap...
You just ruind my night
Not to say that you aren't 100% correct

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Yaro
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Message 280 of 298 (157127)
11-08-2004 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by JIM
11-07-2004 10:27 PM


Just thought Id add an interesting link:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108083/
quote:
In the Oct. 8 debate, President Bush baffled some people by saying he wouldn't appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who would condone the Dred Scott decision. Dred Scott was, of course, the famous 1857 Supreme Court decision that affirmed slaves remained the property of their owners even when taken to free territories and that prohibited even free African-Americans from becoming U.S. citizens. Since the Civil War and the subsequent passage of the 13th and 14th amendments, Dred Scott v. Sandford has been a dead letter in American jurisprudence. Yet Bush felt compelled to reassure TV viewers that he wanted no truck with its legal reasoning...
...What was the meaning of this borderline-incoherent ramble? Apparently, it was an invisible high-five to the Christian right. "Google Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade," various readers instructed me, and damned if they weren't on to something. To the Christian right, "Dred Scott" turns out to be a code word for "Roe v. Wade." Even while stating as plain as day that he would apply "no litmus test," Bush was semaphoring to hard-core abortion opponents that he would indeed apply one crucial litmus test: He would never, ever, appoint a Supreme Court justice who condoned Roe.
I can't belive this man is in office. The world is laughing

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Brad
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Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 281 of 298 (157131)
11-08-2004 2:07 AM


abortion...
Even if you don't agree with abortion, it will happen anyway. So why are people trying to remove it from the safety of an institution where the would-be mother can at least be protected? How can anyone even begin to disagree with this? Please, someone explain this to me, I have been trying for a long time to understand!
Brad

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AdminNosy
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Message 282 of 298 (157132)
11-08-2004 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Brad
11-08-2004 2:07 AM


Re: abortion...
Not really a topic that should come up here.
How about proposing a topic for it?

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AdminNosy
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Message 283 of 298 (157133)
11-08-2004 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Brad
11-08-2004 2:07 AM


Re: abortion...
Not really a topic that we should bury in this thread. How about proposing a new topic?

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Brad
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Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 284 of 298 (157137)
11-08-2004 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by AdminNosy
11-08-2004 2:12 AM


Re: abortion...
I was just hoping that there might be pro-bush people who havn't been scared off that could give me a quick 'why' as I honestly don't know. Anyone who finds this interesting can open a thread though, as I'm not actually interested enough to put the energy into an entirely new thread.
Brad

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 285 of 298 (157140)
11-08-2004 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Brad
11-08-2004 2:39 AM


Re: abortion...
Why what?

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

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