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Author Topic:   Officer refuses to go to Iraq
Tal
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Message 12 of 41 (325795)
06-24-2006 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by kuresu
06-17-2006 10:43 PM


Re: Black Gold
Hell yeah. Acutally, I don't like the way Bush went about supporting the war--lying to us about a bunch of shit and using fake claims to justify it.
Such as?
We never found the WMDs, but he may have moved them.
Washington Post - 500 Chemical weapons declassified
I'm not going to get into the tired "there were no WMD" debate again. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are/were WMD that coalition forces have found in Iraq. This particular find has just been declassified. As I've stated from the beginning, there will be more to follow.
It would have been better had he said--Saddam is evil, we are going to finish the job we started in the early 90s, and oh yeah, while there, we may as well take over their oil.
The Iraqi's control their own oil. One of the key points forwarded by Kerry and Feingold the other day was the terrorist hunt gone wrong supported by a thinly veiled "search for WMDs." Some folks continue to forget the 11 years of inspection obstruction conducted by the ex-regime. One of the primary obligations for the cease fire from Sandbox One included the disclosure and destruction of all WMDs possessed by Iraq. After the ex-regime fired numerous SCUD missles at non-coalition nations during Sandbox One, the US wanted to make sure no calculated petulance by the ex-regime could spin the entire region out of control.
In January of 1995, during a Joint Command level CPX in FRG, I watched a live satellite feed of a SCUD launch from Iraq into Iran. You could have heard a pin drop for about 60 seconds. Then, the shite hit the fan. Needless to say the CPX took about 2 hours to resume.
Folks also forget when you get your ass kicked in a military action, sign on the dotted line to cease getting your ass kicked, then balk at complying with the terms above that dotted line, your ass is subject to getting kicked without warning at any time. Yes, we wanted that turd to quit stirring the pot. Shrug on the reason forwarded to the rest of the world for doing so. If the rest of the world won't step forward to play world cop as it should be, *SNARF* them when we ram a cattle prod up someone's ass to underline our willingness to do so.
As to this LT that isn't going to Iraq; well that's his decision. I hope he has a law degree and/or has read my above post, because he obviously doesn't understand the word illegal. He will most likely be court-martialled and sentenced to whatever. Fine by me. Its an all volunteer army. If he didn't want to be here, he had a choice.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5703 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 14 of 41 (325816)
06-24-2006 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by DrJones*
06-24-2006 7:43 PM


Re: Black Gold
As for the effeciency of the munitions click hereand read the following very carefully.
... mustard gas in its solid form has been found to last underground for up to ten years. This is because, in an environment where the concentration of water is relatively low ... form(s) a protective layer around the bulk material, and therefore prevent(s) further reaction.
Now, imagine an IED with "degraded" mustard packed into the mix. It's the same premise behind a nuclear/radioactive material dirty bomb. You might not get the pretty mushroom cloud, but you sure create a physical/psychological/media circus mess in the process and that that makes a pretty statement.
A small contingent of bio hacks turned the US into a frenzied "where's the anthrax" herd of sheep (pun intended) right after 9/11. If you've ever had the pleasure of going through "deliberate decon" whether in training, or for real, you understand what a *SNARF* the physical cleanup entails. That involves trained military. Now, substitute some of the sheep we swear/swore to protect. Get the point? The simple fact Iraq used chemical munitions on the Kurds never seems to get mentioned any time the "no WMDS in Iraq" flock of chickens start squawking.
Edited by Tal, : No reason given.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5703 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 19 of 41 (326182)
06-25-2006 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Modulous
06-25-2006 2:26 AM


Re: 'Only an idiot'
Yes, that is the writers opinion. His opinion doesn't hold up against the facts though.
One of the primary obligations for the cease fire from Sandbox One included the disclosure and destruction of all WMDs possessed by Iraq. After the ex-regime fired numerous SCUD missles at non-coalition nations during Sandbox One, the US wanted to make sure no calculated petulance by the ex-regime could spin the entire region out of control. The fact is he didn't disclose these 500 some chemical weapons. Period.
As I said earlier, when you get your ass kicked in a military action, sign on the dotted line to cease getting your ass kicked, then balk at complying with the terms above that dotted line, your ass is subject to getting kicked without warning at any time. Saddam didn't let us or anyone know he had these, and the inspectors now have egg on their face.
And I repeat, this is only what has been declassified. There is more to come.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5703 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 20 of 41 (326184)
06-25-2006 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by kuresu
06-24-2006 8:31 PM


Re: Black Gold
Good for us at home, but it's really screwing things up abroad.
How's that? By holding Iraq to the standards that the UN would not? As far as screwing things up abroad, I offer Libya as a counter-point.
Here's a question for you--we went to war with Afghanistan.
We went after the Taliban, and used many Afghan forces to do it.
None of the hijackers were from Iraq. And we went to war with them, one of the reasons being a supposed link to al-Queda. Saudi Arabia harbors/ed terrorists, and most of the hijackers were Saudi. WHy haven't we gone to war with them?
UBL specifically chose Saudi nationals to strain the relationship between the US and Suadi. Remember UBL is just as upset with Saudi as he is with the US.
After all, they have more oil than Afghanistan, and provide a bigger threat to us than Afghanistan.
How does Saudi pose a bigger threat than the Taliban who harbored Al Queda? And forget oil. If that's all that mattered then yes, we would have simply rolled into Saudi or Venezuala and taken over the oil fields....oh wait that was Saddam.

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