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subbie
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Message 54 of 167 (388077)
03-04-2007 2:54 PM


Scopes at Conservapedia
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5. John Scopes was just a young teacher in Tennessee when he unwittingly became a test case for promoting evolution in American schools. Tennessee had a law against teaching human evolution, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) wanted to overturn it. It enlisted the top criminal attorney of the day, Clarence Darrow, to serve as Scopes attorney. As crafty as the day is long, he arrived in Tennessee armed with his bag of tricks.
William Jennings Bryan, the former presidential candidate and Secretary of State, had oratorical skills second to known. His "Cross of Gold" nomination acceptance speech in 1896 is considered one of the greatest political works in American history. He united the Populist and Democratic Parties then and laid the foundation for the takeover by the Democratic Party of American politics 36 years later.
After witnessing the horrors of World War I, Bryan became convinced that the teaching of evolution was leading society to ruination through war. "Survival of the fittest" provided an intellectual justification for the brutal killing of other nationalities and races. Bryan foresaw the ethnic cleansing that grew to its horrible culmination in the Holocaust.
Bryan defended the Tennessee law and its application to Scopes, with its mere $100 fine as the penalty for teaching evolution. Darrow agreed to take the witness stand in favor of teaching evolution if Bryan took the witness stand against it. Bryan then testified and performed well. So well, in fact, that Darrow reneged on his promise and forced Scopes to plead guilty to end the case. With that the trial ended, and Tennessee's law remained in effect for another half century. To this day, Tennesee schools teach little evolution, and George W. Bush won the presidential election by carrying this home state of his opponent, Al Gore.
A famous liberal reporter at the trial, H.L. Mencken, published such one-sided articles that it would make today's media blush. He excoriated Bryan at every possible turn, trying to make him look foolish. When Hollywood got into the act with a movie called "Inherit the Wind," it imitated Mencken's bias. Misinformed, many think Scopes and the evolutionists won the trial, but conservative rule in Tennessee today reflects the true outcome.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.conservapedia.com/John_Scopes
Ah, what a breath of fresh, unbiased, air.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 61 of 167 (388170)
03-04-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by crashfrog
03-04-2007 3:40 PM


Re: Scopes at Conservapedia
Further errors in the Scopes piece:
Scopes did not "unwittingly" become a test case. As I understand it, he volunteered for the position. IIRC, a group got together in a drug store in Dayton and decided to put on a test case. They asked Scopes if he would agree to be the defendant and he did.
There's actually some question about whether Scopes ever indeed taught evolution. From this site:
quote:
One of the enduring debates concerning the Scopes trial revolves around whether Scopes ever actually taught the subject of evolution. George Rappalyea posed the question, holding up a copy of George W. Hunter’s Civic Biology, at Robinson’s drugstore. “You have been teaching ”em this book?” he asked. Scopes answered, “Yes,” then went on to explain that, while substituting for the regular biology teacher in April 1925, he had assigned his students Hunter’s chapter on evolution. Illness the next day, however, kept him home and, to his recollection, no class discussion of the evolution materials ever took place. Scopes, however, remembered teaching the topic in a general way earlier in the same month to his general science students.
The ACLU was involved, but in fact it did not want Darrow as the defense attorney. Dudley Malone, Darrow's eventual co-counsel on the case, first proposed Darrow to the ACLU, but his participation was bitterly opposed by the steering committee of the ACLU for the Scopes case. Among other things, committee members were worried that Darrow's status of being a "headline chaser" would divert attention from the issues involved. It was actually Scopes who endorsed Darrow, pointing out that William Jennings Bryan was no wall flower himself, and that there was already such a carnival atmosphere in Dayton that the presence of Darrow couldn't make things any worse.
The Butler Act did not have a "mere $100 fine." The penalty for a violation of the Act was supposed to have been between $100.00 and $500.00, to be determined by the jury. However, Judge Raulston instead imposed the fine himself. In fact, it was this procedural error that resulted in the appellate court overturning the conviction.
As crash pointed out, Scopes did not plead guilty. In fact, after the jury announced the verdict, Judge Raulston asked Scopes if he had anything to say before sentencing. Scopes said,
quote:
Your Honor, I feel that I have been convicted of violating an unjust statute. I will continue in the future, as I have in the past, to oppose this law in any way I can. Any other action would be in violation of my ideal of academic freedom”that is, to teach the truth as guaranteed in our Constitution of personal and religious freedom. I think the fine is unjust.
As far as Darrow reneging on his "promise" to testify after Bryan, here's how that arose in the first place:
quote:
Hays--The defense desires to call Mr. Bryan as a witness, and, of course, the only question here is whether Mr. Scopes taught what these children said he taught, we recognize what Mr. Bryan says as a witness would not be very valuable. We think there are other questions involved, and we should want to take Mr. Bryan's testimony for the purpose of our record, even if your honor thinks it is not admissible in general, so we wish to call him now.
The Court--Do you think you have a right to his testimony or evidence like you did these others?
McKenzie--I don't think it is necessary to call him, calling a lawyer who represents a client.
The Court--If you ask him about any confidential matter, I will protect him, of course.
Darrow--On scientific matters, Col. Bryan can speak for himself.
Bryan--If your honor please, I insist that Mr. Darrow can be put on the stand, and Mr. Malone and Mr. Hays.
Darrow did not renege on anything. The Court adjourned the trail in the middle of Darrow's cross-examination of Bryan and, on the next day, decided that no purpose would be served by continuing the examination. Darrow was never called.
As far as whether Bryan "performed well," I leave that to the reader to decide. Bryan's testimony can be found here.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 81 of 167 (388242)
03-05-2007 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by jar
03-05-2007 10:53 AM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
Curious. They go to great lengths to make clear that they insist on using American spelling, but they apparently don't mind the British custom of treating a group of people as plural.
quote:
The Afrika Korps, a Nazi German military unit led by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, were very feared.
Emphasis mine.
On the other hand, perhaps the entry was written by someone with less than a passing acquaintance with subject-verb agreement. The rather poor structure of the sentence suggests the latter, I suppose.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 82 of 167 (388243)
03-05-2007 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Dr Jack
03-05-2007 11:01 AM


Re: World History Lecture One
One assumes that the author was Andy Schlafly, listed as the instructor of the "course." As far as I've been able to determine, the "lectures" are intended to be used in connection with online courses offered by Eagle University.
If the last name sounds familiar to some, it should. He appears to be the son of Phyllis Schlafly.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 139 of 167 (388807)
03-07-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Utopia
03-07-2007 12:14 PM


Re: Their "objective" take on the ACLU
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The judge's order also prevented any appeal of his opinion in the case.
Not only is this WRONG, it is IMPOSSIBLE.
No judge can do a thing to prevent a decision from being appealed. There was no appeal because during the pendency of the case, the nuts that put the antiscience policy in effect were tossed out of office.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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