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Author Topic:   www.conservapedia.com - What do you think?
Tusko
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Message 1 of 167 (387881)
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


I don't know if you've heard about this, but someone has started up a new wiki aimed at countering the perceived liberal bias in Wikipedia.
Check out some of the articles, of most relevance to us perhaps:
Evolution
Mutations
Clearly it is very amateurish, and says some very funny, strange things. It must be noted that it has to some degree been compromised by piss-takers and pastiche-artists, hence the current lock-down on new accounts.
Personally, I think its as mad as a screaming weasel on a pogo-stick, and I think it might be potentially quite damaging - an example of a kind of social isolationism. I was just wondering what anyone else thought of it.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Tried tweeking topic title. There has been problems with replying to this topic.
Edited by Tusko, : Ah - thanks Adminnemooseus!I was going nuts trying to edit my hideous spelling and other errors there.

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Message 2 of 167 (387919)
03-03-2007 4:59 PM


Test - Has been problems with replying to this topic
Problem reported here. I personally confirmed the problem.
I have removed the link contained within the topic title.
http://www.conservapedia.com should get you to the home page. See message 1 for other links.
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Message 3 of 167 (387921)
03-03-2007 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tusko
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


christian fundamentalism ≠ all conservatives
http://www.conservapedia.com/Mutations
quote:
Mutations are changes in the genetic code caused by copying errors, or by external factors such as solar radiation or exposure to mutagenic chemicals. Mutations are sometimes the cause of disease, such as cancer or Down's Syndrome (which is the result of an extreme mutation which causes an extra chromosome to be present). Evolutionists claim that heritable mutations produce genetic variety, upon which natural selection acts. However, mutations can only decrease information, never increase it.[1]
This isn't conservative, it is just christian creationist fundamentalism - pretending to represent all conservatives.
A fundamental logical error.
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Chiroptera
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Message 4 of 167 (387922)
03-03-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tusko
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


"Mad as a screaming weasel" is pretty accurate. One example of "bias" is that Wikipedia uses CE and BCE instead of AD and BC -- as if that were part of some conspiracy! And their complaint that some articles use British spelling is hilarious. Also, their description of evolution is pretty bad -- this is clearly americanfundamentalistconservativechristepedia.com, not just conservapedia.com.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Message 5 of 167 (387925)
03-03-2007 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tusko
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
This was created a the SOURCE material for some home schoolers. The rest of the world should take note. This is an example of Education material in the US. Think about it before hiring someone educated here.

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Message 6 of 167 (387927)
03-03-2007 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by jar
03-03-2007 5:17 PM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
You'll like this bit:
idiotwiki on evolution writes:
Evolutionists have no real evidence that macroevolution occurs and there is no consensus on how it allegedly occurs as can be seen below:
Which is followed by nothing more on the entire page concerning the science of evolution than cribs out of the standard creationist quotemines: misrepresented and out of context gems from Morris, Eldredge, Ridley, etc.
Very, very sad. It's as though AiG decided to write an encyclopedia. Let this be a further lesson: open framework, web-based encyclopedias are NOT an authoritative source. Unless you can verify the information through primary sources, of course.

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Message 7 of 167 (387929)
03-03-2007 5:28 PM
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03-03-2007 5:24 PM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
Read the History Lectures.
Temples were everywhere. But the people also built stepped mountains known as ziggurats, with a temple on top, and the Bible tells how they tried to build one higher and higher. A massive ziggurat at Ur that is described in Genesis 11:1-9 as the Tower of Babel led to hundreds of different languages in the world. As we shall learn in this course, language is a central part of a society that has much to do with its success or failure. Societies with useful languages prospered; those with difficult-to-use languages failed.
from Lecture One in World History

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Message 8 of 167 (387932)
03-03-2007 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tusko
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


As mad as a screaming weasel on a pogo-stick
Personally, I think its as mad as a screaming weasel on a pogo-stick
Nicely put.
Does the supposed liberal bias of Wiki show that -
A) The US conservatives are totally out of step with the rest of the Western world (as contributions to Wiki come from all over the globe)
B) That those educated and knowledgable enough to contribute to such resources as Wiki are more likely to be liberal progressives than conservative fundamentalists
?????

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Message 9 of 167 (387933)
03-03-2007 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tusko
03-03-2007 11:13 AM


I was just wondering what anyone else thought of it.
I think the more clearly and frequently the pogo weasels go on public record, the better.
Edited by Omnivorous, : more , clearly

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CK
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Message 10 of 167 (387934)
03-03-2007 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
03-03-2007 5:28 PM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Francis_Bacon
quote:
A scientist during the Age of Exploration who lived from 1561 to 1626 and promoted research based on experimentation. Bacon was, notoriously, a confirmed bachelor throughout his life. He was however, one of the strange bachelors. One who got married. As can be seen from the illustration, Bacon (like most men of his time) had a beard. Despite this, he was known to also wear a hat.
Edited by CK, : No reason given.

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Chiroptera
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Message 11 of 167 (387936)
03-03-2007 5:56 PM
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03-03-2007 5:52 PM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
The frightening thing is, that is one of the more sensible things I have ever heard a conservative say.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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CK
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Message 12 of 167 (387938)
03-03-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Chiroptera
03-03-2007 5:56 PM


How about...
quote:
Jean Baptiste Lamarck was the first scientist to come up with the idea of evolution (though a different version than Darwin's). Lamarck suggested that giraffes got long necks by stretching to reach trees, when clearly they got long necks because God wanted them to be long. Lamarck is now an object of derision amongst scientists, much like Darwin will be in a year or two.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Lamarck
or
quote:
Big Oil has an exceptional environmental track record, often repairing mistakes quickly before they can become disasters.[6] Big Oil has also proven valuable in funding independant scientists[7] who are able to dispute the propaganda behind Global warming without worrying about losing their government or academic funding due to liberal reprisals.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Big_Oil

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Tusko
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Message 13 of 167 (387939)
03-03-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
03-03-2007 5:06 PM


Re: christian fundamentalism ≠ all conservatives
Oh yes. Sit an infinite number of true Scotsmen down at an infinite number of typewriters....
Hey Presto!

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Tusko
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Message 14 of 167 (387942)
03-03-2007 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Chiroptera
03-03-2007 5:07 PM


What I find funniest about the whole thing is that before they had a lock-down to prevent new people having accounts (and perhaps also editing by non moderators?) there were quite a lot of piss-takers going on and modifying hotbutton entries for a joke... and the tragedy is in many cases you can't tell whether they are taking the piss or not.

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Tusko
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Message 15 of 167 (387943)
03-03-2007 6:37 PM
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03-03-2007 5:17 PM


Re: The rest of the world should be afraid, very afraid.
I read on a blog - I forget which one annoyingly - something that I thought was rather insightful. The writer was saying that they thought this was one example of a wider project of constructing a parallel reality: a reality in which you can be born, raised, live and die, and never come into meaningful contact with people with differing viewpoints.
It reminds me of the Amish. Except with computers.

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