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Message 136 of 167 (388744)
03-07-2007 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Chiroptera
03-07-2007 1:30 PM


Re: Statistics
quote:
Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.
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If they're getting their wisdom from The Simpsons, my opinion of them just went up.

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Message 137 of 167 (388771)
03-07-2007 4:25 PM
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03-07-2007 1:16 PM


Whereabouts
I am a South Londoner by birth and current location.
Brixton Hill. The arse end of the Victoria line.

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Message 138 of 167 (388800)
03-07-2007 7:45 PM


It just gets better!
Evidently, the BBC ran a spot on Constupipedia, and a British conservative wrote in to complain about the bias against British standard spelling. Evidently the Americanfascistepedians couldn't resist a dig:
Many Americans older than I fondly recall coming to your aid in World War II when things were looking quite bleak in London.
Way to rally support for Conservadopia!

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Message 139 of 167 (388807)
03-07-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Utopia
03-07-2007 12:14 PM


Re: Their "objective" take on the ACLU
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The judge's order also prevented any appeal of his opinion in the case.
Not only is this WRONG, it is IMPOSSIBLE.
No judge can do a thing to prevent a decision from being appealed. There was no appeal because during the pendency of the case, the nuts that put the antiscience policy in effect were tossed out of office.

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Message 140 of 167 (388810)
03-07-2007 8:41 PM
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03-07-2007 8:25 PM


Re: Their "objective" take on the ACLU
no need to tell us. tell those "nuts" who think a "conservapedia" is objective.

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Message 141 of 167 (388820)
03-07-2007 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Tusko
03-07-2007 1:34 PM


Tusko writes:
I agree that its very amusing that you can't tell the parody from the chaff - an entirely unintended side-effect of the project I imagine... unless its a brilliant parody all round.
Life, the universe and everything leave me with similar questions. I find myself guffawing at the most awful "realities": reading conservapedia is like looking at a sunset you could never paint because it's too richly cliched to be believed.
Have the gods gone mad? Is absurdity the ultimate, irreducible particle? Is my sense of humor degenerating into hebephrenia?
Stay tuned.

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Message 142 of 167 (389084)
03-10-2007 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Jon
03-05-2007 10:46 PM


Re: Moon Orbit
The moon causes the tides - bulges in both water and solid mass of the earth (the "solid" part floating on the molten core, and being relatively hard to measure). The spin of the earth moves these ahead of the alignment with the moon causing the slight pull accelerating it in it's orbit.
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Chiroptera
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Message 143 of 167 (389094)
03-10-2007 4:13 PM
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03-10-2007 3:05 PM


Re: Moon Orbit
quote:
The moon causes the tides - bulges in both water and solid mass of the earth (the "solid" part floating on the molten core, and being relatively hard to measure).
The fact that the solid mass of the earth is above a molten mass is irrelevant to the principle. No solid mass is perfectly rigid -- any solid object is capable of some deformation. In principle, there is no difference between the so-called "rigid", solid portion of the earth and the liquid, "perfectly deformable" portion -- only the amount of deformation will be affected by whether or not we are discussing a solid or a liquid. The tidal forces due to the moon is enough to cause the solid portion of the earth to deform into an oblong shape, with the bulges pointing toward the moon, whether or not there were any liquid interior. Undoubtably, though, the size of a liquid core will determine how large the solid earth tides are.
Wikipedia claims that the solid earth tides at the equator are something like half a meter or so.

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Chiroptera
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Message 144 of 167 (389203)
03-11-2007 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Quetzal
03-05-2007 6:37 PM


More info on Wikipedia
Hi, Quetzal.
I just found what maybe the original data that the Chronical article was discussing:
Internet encyclopaedias go head to head | Nature

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Message 145 of 167 (389263)
03-12-2007 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Jaderis
03-04-2007 2:08 AM


Re: Woeful inadequacy and outright distortions
quote:
That's it.
Apparently 5 million gypsies, slavs and Communists simply aren't worth mentioning.
quote:
Yes, all those Aztecs who were defending their cities from invasion were "not innocent" and deserved what they got and Cortez was only murdering the Indians out of love.
I wonder if someone should mention that Cortez brought a form biological warfare that amounted to genocide as a gift from God.

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Message 146 of 167 (389271)
03-12-2007 8:37 AM


Dinosaurs
http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur
read the whole thing.

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Chiroptera
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Message 147 of 167 (389274)
03-12-2007 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by CK
03-12-2007 8:37 AM


Re: Dinosaurs
That was pretty good, CK. But why did you think that you had to tell us to read the whole thing? Once I started reading, I couldn't stop!
The discussion had some good ones, too:
Note Horace's use above of the Britishism "inverted commas" instead of the proper American "quotation marks". This shibboleth makes his contributions look rather suspiciously like the work of a Wikipedia agitator. Dr. Richard Paley 17:21, 23 February 2007 (EST)
Does anyone else note a theme going on at Conservadopia?

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Message 148 of 167 (389329)
03-12-2007 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by CK
03-12-2007 8:37 AM


Re: Dinosaurs
read the whole thing.
oh god, i dunno if i can! it's so bad!
quote:
For example, trained scientists have reported seeing a live dinosaur.[4]
# ‘ http://www.answersingenesis.org/...tion/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp
aig? that's your source? the bit they're referring to is a mokele-mbembe sighting (which, btw, i would be absolutely THRILLED if m-m was real and a dinosaur). but that's the same aig article with this gem:
quote:
It is possible too that some of those huge flying reptiles, the pterosaurs, also survived Noah’s Flood and lived into recent times. The Illustrated London News of February 9, 1856 (p. 166) reported that workmen digging a railway tunnel in France last century disturbed a huge winged creature at Culmont, in Haute Marne, while blasting rock for the tunnel.
The creature was described as livid black, with a long neck and sharp teeth. It looked like a bat, and its skin was thick and oily. It died soon after. Its wingspan was measured at 3.22 metres (10 feet 7 inches). A naturalist ”immediately recognised it as belonging to the genus Pterodactylus anas’, and it matched the remains of known pterodactyl fossils.
"anas" as in duck. since the story takes place in france, does anyone know the french word for "duck?"
canard.
the story is a well known hoax. well known. in fact, so well known that the author himself retracted the claim:
quote:
[Ed. note: the author has since retracted his claim about the Illustrated London News report on the living pterosaur, since new evidence shows that it was a hoax. And in late 2005, John Whitmore wrote that the early reports of ”unfossilized’ dinosaur bones were overstated, as recent analysis shows that they should be referred to as ”fossilized’ ( ”Unfossilized’ Alaskan dinosaur bones? Letter to the Editor, Journal of Creation 19(3):60).]
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/833
and the aig version:
quote:
[Ed. note: In late 2005, a report in TJ provided an update on the scientific appraisal of some of the bones discussed in this article. See John H. Whitmore, ”Unfossilized’ Alaskan dinosaur bones? TJ 19(3):60.]
http://www.answersingenesis.org/...tion/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp
yes. let's trust this source.
quote:
A thousand people reported seeing a dinosaur-like monster in two sightings around Sayram Lake in Xinjiang according to the Chinese publication, China Today. [5]
same aig article, which references something else, which makes a vague claim about another mokele-mbembe-type lake monster. wow.
quote:
An expedition which included Charles W. Gilmore, Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology with the United States National Museum, examined an ancient pictograph which is claimed to point to dinosaurs and man existing [6][7].
hava supai. which sure doesn't look like a dinosaur to me. it DOES vaguely look like an inaccurate coloring book version of a dinosaur, though, i'll give them that.
quote:
The World Book Encyclopedia states that: "The dragons of legend are strangely like actual creatures that have lived in the past. They are much like the great reptiles [dinosaurs] which inhabited the earth long before man is supposed to have appeared on earth. Dragons were generally evil and destructive. Every country had them in its mythology." [8]
yes, dinosaurs have big nasty teeth and claws. but they sure don't look like medieval european dragons and wyverns, and they don't look even remotely like chinese dragons.
quote:
The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina, a second century piece of art, is said to appear to be a piece of artwork that shows a dinosaur and man coexisting. [9]
again, doesn't look like a dinosaur. looks like a dark-ages fantasy.
quote:
This is quite hard evidence.
ha! hahaha! hahahahahaahaha!
hearsay, conjecture, and rumor is hard evidence? tell me another one!
quote:
Since 565 A.D. there are reports about the Loch Ness Monster (Nessie by birth)
ok, they CAN'T be serious. this site HAS TO BE a joke.
quote:
People who saw Nessie described the Monster as it would look similar to a dinosaur.
dinosaurs were not aquatic. other archosaurs, however, like the pleisiosaurs and elasmosaurs were.
quote:
In the life story of St. Columba, there is an account of him driving off a monster attacking a Pict. Some have taken this to refer to the Loch Ness Monster.
sure, why not. and grendel and his mother, while we're at it, were also dinosaurs. why not.
quote:
Dinosaurs and Birds
As a number of feathered dinosaur fossils have been discovered, and the similiarity in the bone structure between birds and dinosaurs, scientists contend that modern birds are a descendant of dinosaurs.
...that's it? that's all they wrote? i guess they can't find any good objections?
perhaps the most telling are their references:
quote:
1. ‘ TrueAuthority.com - Dinosaurs - About The Animals
2. ‘ http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dinosaurs.asp
3. ‘ http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3061/
4. ‘ http://www.answersingenesis.org/...tion/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp
5. ‘ http://www.answersingenesis.org/...tion/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp
6. ‘ Doheny Scientific Expedition, Hava Supai Canyon, Arizona
7. ‘ The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)
8. ‘ In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - References and Notes
9. ‘ http://www.s8int.com/dinolit2.html
10. ‘ Genesis, 1:25
11. ‘ Genesis 1:29-30
12. ‘ "Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?", Answers in Genesis
13. ‘ "Dinosaur bones”just how old are they really?", Creation 21(1):54-55, December 1998
14. ‘ "Are dinosaurs alive today?", Creation 15(4):12-15, September 1993
15. ‘ "Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?", TJ 15(2):42-45, August 2001
16. ‘ http://www.answersincreation.org/job4041a.htm
creationist source after creationist source. they don't even use those entirely honestly, either. look at the bible citations:
quote:
that dinosaurs were created on the 6th day of the Creation Week[10] as a final addendum to the wonders God created, approximately 6,000 years ago; that they lived in the Garden of Eden in harmony with other animals, eating only plants[11];
the verses they cite in genesis certainly don't say that!


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Brad McFall
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Message 149 of 167 (397602)
04-26-2007 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by subbie
03-04-2007 11:02 PM


Re: Scopes at Conservapedia, and at last,- Christian liberal
quote:
Scopes did not "unwittingly" become a test case. As I understand it, he volunteered for the position.
=====================================================
Very interesting...
Kazin, said both that Scopes was asked at gathering in town to be "the man" and he also said that it was an "accident" that he taught the evolution chapter as he was a physics teacher not a biologist.
I just finished listening to Michael Kazin in
http://cuinfo.cornell.edu/Events/Calendar/Calendar.php?fo...
lecture
in preparation to attending
Inherit the Wind playing now at another place on campus.
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/...ductionseason/InheritWind.asp
I will go later.
It was quite interesting to me.
Here are some Bryan pics I had cashed already.
The question and answer session questioned the author’s scholarship over asserting Bryan a racist.
Apparently the Michael Kazin's reasons for this claim was that Bryan both dismissed Booker T. Washington and failed to utilize political support from Du Bois.
What the excluded middle of the difference between fact and belief that was narrated as a difference in the “tenor” of Bryan's religious vs political speeches (which I doubts holds precisely because of my earlier comments on Bryan on EvC over metals, money and the difference of commendation vs condemnation etc. http://EvC Forum: What we must accept if we accept evolution -->EvC Forum: What we must accept if we accept evolution) seems to have been secularly researchless was, that Du Bois was under some influence of James at Harvard but the use of propositions to assert what (was) “true” or “false” as Russell was putting to Harvardians and the author Kazin insists was what Bryan did at Scopes can not be distinguished in the “logic of Jefferson” that the this author consists was what Bryan used generally (universally) which really was NOT, but ONLY was, about the separation of the Anglican Church from the Church of England and thus the difference of Russell and James did not come to light in the talk except with respect to challenging the author’s use of the “racist” card.
This indicates to me that the media that luaded the book (Washington Post, LA Times and Fresh Air) by the author (see first thumbnail above) are also suspect in this particular.
But the lecture also revealed a student committed to enounciating Bryan having a lack of will and unwillingness to diss his “dogmatism” which this student explained was accomplished for him and every one by seeing man as “falling out” of the ”stream’ of evolution rather than budding from the primate “branch”. The only problem with this view is that it fails to account for the failure of evolutionists to continue to think evolution along the black line in my avatar (when that happens) but can consider any cladistic node as having *********any************relation of figure and ground. Kazin said that Brayn had made fun of the artists depiction of man IN THE CIRCLE with the monkey. So today we have the heart shape in my avatar rather the line I indicated. This is too bad.
The ground was about scholarship rather than the difference of evolution and creation.
I simply like the snake cartoon.
Excluding the middle in the upper balloons on my avatar is the only way to stay sane today.
The question was asked as to what counterfactually would be the case if Byan had a chance to ^also^ crossXexamine. Michael said that Bryan would have probably come out "better." And so it goes....

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Message 150 of 167 (669110)
07-27-2012 1:52 AM


If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.
Haven't looked at conservapedia in quite a while.
On the current version of the homepage:
quote:
Liberal claptrap, in Barack Obama's own words: "If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. ... If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Their "bolding". Note the strategically placed ellipses.
But, amazingly enough, on the Barack Hussein Obama page:
quote:
"You didn't build that" Controversy
On July 13, 2012, at a campaign event in Virginia, Obama gave a speech that immediately stirred up controversy. Speaking about the Government's role in the success of private business, he said:[207]
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
It is fairly clear that when Obama said "you didn't build that," he is referring to roads, bridges, and other infrastructure and technological advancements that government played a key role in funding and creating, though plenty of people may disagree over how much government is actually required for businesses to be successful. But many Obama opponents, including the Romney campaign, took that one sentence ("If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build that") out of context, making it seem like the President is not giving credit to business owners for having built their own businesses. Obama could have been more clear about what he was referring to, which is unusual because he is often praised for his public speeches. This could be a case of Obama speaking off-script, providing further evidence for his reliance on teleprompters.
Note the "It is fairly clear that when Obama said "you didn't build that," he is referring to roads, bridges, and other infrastructure and technological advancements that government played a key role in funding and creating, though plenty of people may disagree over how much government is actually required for businesses to be successful."
Oops, an inadvertent accuracy event.
"But many Obama opponents, including the Romney campaign, took that one sentence ("If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build that") out of context, making it seem like the President is not giving credit to business owners for having built their own businesses."
And including the Conservapedia home page.
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