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Author Topic:   The Results are in...There is a God! - What now?
iceage 
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Message 77 of 159 (372020)
12-24-2006 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Phat
12-24-2006 12:56 PM


Re: Worship God?
Phat writes:
If I had a fishie and I gave my fish free will to be able to jump out of the confines of the living environment that I provided for him, would I scold him if he lay gasping for air on the table next to the tank?
Hmmm... I think you parable goes completely counter of your point. The fish is incapable of understanding the ramifications of his actions. Because your vantage point allows you greater knowledge and control of the situation you are the responsible entity - not the fish. This is a philosophic problem.
phat writes:
These same folks would then have no room to blame God for the evils and misfortunes that plague society.
To blame god for the evils and misfortunes that plague society is superstition.

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iceage 
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Message 117 of 159 (372371)
12-26-2006 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Phat
12-26-2006 1:47 PM


Typical Human Hubris
phat writes:
Are you challenging Gods right and position to be whatever He wants to be?
Of course not, that would be silly and foolish.
But in your first sentence you just slipped in one condition on God. You gave God a gender. Gender is a human or animal trait, an artifact of evolution. Gender would only be useful or make sense if the opposite gender existed.
You are challenging God's right to be say, no gender at all.
phat writes:
I would think that we should be grateful that God cares about us enough to want (or need) to have us around.
IMHO, however, God knows us better than we know ourselves, and is not the mean vindicative God portrayed in our literature by our own overactive imaginations.
What! now you are putting more conditions on God. You are presupposing that God
  • Cares for humans (Caring is a human emotion)
  • Wants humans around
  • Recognizes and know individual humans
  • Is not mean or vindictive (another human trait)
    God is not a product of our imagination and cannot be defined and explained according to our whims.
    Yes but you just put a significant profile of who this God being is, based on your imagination and whim - counter to your first admonishment. You put God in box and gave God a number of constraints. It is all error in that you are giving God characteristics based on no objective evidence.
    You are using a preconceived and egotistical notion that God is mindful of humans. You are even characterizing God as partially human by giving God human traits - blasphemy, if I have heard of it.
    It is very speciesist (at least arrogant) of humans to think that we are at the center of Gods mind and concern. God may view us like we might view the mold that grows on the cheese in the refrigerator.

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