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Vacate
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Message 83 of 159 (372100)
12-24-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Jon
12-24-2006 5:31 PM


Re: Worship God?
Jon writes:
Imagine you buy a bookcase in a box. It has instructions for assembly. Sure, the manufacturer has greater knowledge of the precise methods involved, and how they made the wood, etc. But to get to the finished product, you just have to assemble it and don't need that extra know-how. There is a book, in the box (not to put on the shelf), but to read through so that you can properly assemble the book case. Now, if you choose not to follow the instructions, and end up with a hole in the back and 45 shelves, whose fault is that?
Then imagine that the instructions were not written by the inventor. The inventor refuses to update the instructions that he may or may not have written. All the parts are different and its not completely clear what you are trying to build. You thought it was a bookcase, but it more appears to be some twisted form of chess. Most of the important pieces also seem to have been killed off before you even got to play the game.
Don't bother to try reaching the complaint department, the number has been disconnected.
Edited by Vacate, : Spelling

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Vacate
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Message 124 of 159 (372492)
12-28-2006 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Jon
12-25-2006 4:05 AM


Re: Worship God?
Sorry Jon for the lateness of my reply, the holiday season has ruined my online time
quote:
What evidence do you have for ANYTHING you've just said?
Various sources have made me question the validity of the bible. Some prime sources are the other religious texts, scientific results that show various events portrayed in the bible are not true historical events, and this very website as it shows there is much controvercy over the factual nature of the bible. I would be interested to see the evidence you have concerning the analogy you presented that prompted my reply!
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Tell me, when was the last time you tried to make it into Heaven by following what was written in the Bible?
15 years ago.
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If you did, did you get there or not?
Nope, I just recieced a deep sense of loss and a feeling that I was unimportant enough to ignore.
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Would you take the chance of not following the instructions. Remember, you don't KNOW the instructions are bad, and they claim to be good, so what do you do?
The key to understanding this analogy is that the instructions claim to be good. There is however multiple instruction books and they all have different directions. Now with this information I am forced to discount all of them and instead try to incorporate the different methods into something that will hopefully lead to my desired conclusion. The cost is meaninless, the fact I have one try is also meaningless; I cannot simply hope that one set of instructions will, in fact, lead to my desired conclusion as I cannot take that risk.
Instead I prefer to take the process very slow and try to understand all the various aspects before jumping feet first into a blind faith attempt at getting it right.
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The Bible is most-likely the best instruction book we have, and we have no reason to believe it isn't.
Most-likely?? - Your eternity would depend on such a choice. You seem to say that perhaps your bookshelf may turn out to be a furnace. I have reason to believe that the instructions are incorrect, does this not worry you?
The topic of this thread is if there was fact of a creator would this change how I live my life?
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Now, if you want to go be with God when you die, then use His instruction booklet, otherwise, find a different thread
If the bible is correct, then I would prefer a warmer climate thank you. If my agnostic outlook is correct, and the bible is not historically factual, then I would instead attempt to understand God's works instead of claiming to know God's mind. If evidence someday revealed that there is a creator - my outlook on the world would not change a bit.

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