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Author Topic:   "Flags of Our Fathers"
Omnivorous
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Message 46 of 60 (362704)
11-08-2006 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NewYorkCityBoy
11-07-2006 2:13 AM


Young and simple
NYCB writes:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Let's waterboard that camel jockey.


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Message 47 of 60 (362705)
11-08-2006 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
11-07-2006 3:13 AM


Re: kentucky
Many of my ancestors lived in Kentucky. My mother and grandmother were born there. It is a beautiful piece of this green earth. You can find the same range of human stupidity and brilliance there as anywhere.

chalmers writes:

Even though it makes me an elitist jerk... why am I not surprised you are from kentucky?

-elitist.

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Message 48 of 60 (362706)
11-08-2006 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by NewYorkCityBoy
11-05-2006 2:49 PM


I'm a vet. You're not. You get out.

Some of my buddies in Nam did things like rape little girls and slaughter civilians--old men, women, and children--in cold blood.

Heros?

Life ain't that simple, NYCB. Not every yo-yo with a rifle is a hero.


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Omnivorous
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Message 50 of 60 (362721)
11-08-2006 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Mespo
11-08-2006 4:07 PM


Re: Wisdom (or lack thereof) from a Vet
U.S. Army, 1973-1978.

Hi, Mespo. I'm sort of on the cusp, I suppose: I was Vietnam draft age (Class of '69) but had a high lottery number. I was safe.

I was also a precocious protest marcher. Got my first big scar in Lincoln Park in Chicago in 1968, a 16 year old flower child charged by my masked fathers--little did I know that in 1976, the good citizens of Boston would be spitting on me when I marched in a July 4th parade in dress uniform.

Two things happened: I became disillusioned with a counterculture that was no more rational than its mirror culture, and I met some early Vietnamese refugees while working in a soup kitchen. The stories they told of cruel northern fighters seeking to impose an alien ideology did not match well with the postcolonial agitprop I had previously believed. So I decided the only way to find the truth was to go. I went. I was ready to fight like a demon or desert, depending on what I found. I wasn't ready for what I found.

Most gung-ho patriots out there haven't the slightest idea what a battle field looks like or smells like. Carnage is pixels on a TV screen. You have no idea. You just don't. I find it interesting that some of the greatest "peace-niks" are in fact the top brass of our military. They know.

Yes.


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Omnivorous
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Message 52 of 60 (362764)
11-08-2006 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by NewYorkCityBoy
11-08-2006 11:17 PM


Well, I walked a lot more than a mile in those shoes, and you haven't.

I respect people who deserve respect--people who demand respect rarely turn out to deserve it.

Your father may well be an exemplary man; he may well have been an honorable soldier.

But that war was not an honorable war, and the conduct of many U.S. soldiers in it was not exemplary. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Ask your father.


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