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Taz
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Message 32 of 60 (362480)
11-07-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Thugpreacha
11-07-2006 7:20 AM


Re: the wisdom (or lack of same) concerning war
Phat writes:

I understand and think it quite Christ-like to be a nation of pacifists...


While I understand that you yourself question this statement, I must comment.

Being a nation of pacifists will only result in sufferings for countless many. Imagine if England was a pacifist nation and allowed hitler to take over. Imagine if the USA was pacifist when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Now, think a little deeper. How many Jews and Slavics would have died if there was no WW2? How many Chinese and Philipinos would have been enslaved by the Japanese?

Ok, now think a little deeper still. How long after Europe was conquered before the Nazis cross the Atlantic to come into North America? We know for a fact that while they were fighting the airwar with Britain German engineers were trying to come up with a long range bomber that could cross the Atlantic and bomb the American coastal cities.

Breathe deep and think a tiny bit deeper. Are you willing to stand there and watch hundreds of millions of innocent people die in death camps?

It's easy to sit there protected by the most powerful army in the world and proclaim moral high ground and criticize war machines. I wonder how you would react if german panzers were coming toward Denver from the east or Japanese bombers were coming from the west.

The only reason evil still persists in this world is because not enough people care enough for their fellow men.

Please note that I am not advocating for any war. There are just wars and there are unjust wars. I am only saying that being a pacifist is simply silly and anything but christ-like.


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Message 35 of 60 (362537)
11-08-2006 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Chiroptera
11-07-2006 5:59 PM


Re: the wisdom (or lack of same) concerning war
Chiroptera writes:

But I've never been able to muster the suspension of disbelief enough to enjoy the stories.


I know what you mean. Just read some Turtledove.

Anyway, the point is if we hadn't entered the war Britain wouldn't have been so fortunate. Sure, it would have taken Nazi Germany years, but with the entire continent of Europe at its disposal, it could squeeze the life out of Britain.

What I am essentially saying is being a pacifist is suicide. There have always been and there will always be bullies.


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Taz
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Message 43 of 60 (362638)
11-08-2006 1:17 PM
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11-08-2006 8:24 AM


Re: the wisdom (or lack of same) concerning war
Chiroptera writes:

Except the Eastern portions of Europe, you mean. And with the constant fighting in the East at worst (assuming without US involvement the Germans would have been able to halt the Soviets' counteroffensive and hold a line at some point in the East), or a heavily fortified Eastern border with a hostile Soviet Union at best, I'm sure the Germans would eventually have to come to some sort of terms with Britain.


While I agree that they will have to come to some kind of seize fire agreement with the Soviets, I just don't see the Germans coming to terms with Britain.

At any rate, I'm talking about the absurd notion that the Japanese or Germans were capable, or even interested in, occupying North America.

Perhaps not, but the point remains. It is easy for phat to sit there safely surrounded by 2 bigass oceans of the world and the most powerful army ever to have existed and proclaim that it is christ-like to be a pacifist. Now that I think about it, this is perhaps one of the most unempathetic statement I've heard. There are people out there still fighting for survival.

Sorry, I don't react well to self-righteous proclamations on issues that clearly affects millions of others on a personal manner.


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Taz
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Message 53 of 60 (362765)
11-08-2006 11:40 PM
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11-08-2006 11:17 PM


Did you read what he wrote at all?

Oh, by the way, this is a discussion board, not a chat room... dude.

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