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Author Topic:   Does the evidence support the Flood? (attn: DwarfishSquints)
RickJB
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Message 192 of 293 (470413)
06-11-2008 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 3:53 AM


Re: Timeline of the flood
Lucy writes:
A hammer is about 8 times heavier than water. You showed me wood and cars which are both lighter than water.
What do you think the engine block of a car is made of? Feathers?

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RickJB
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Message 195 of 293 (470454)
06-11-2008 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 5:15 AM


Re: Timeline of the flood
Lucy writes:
...a lot of stuff would be dragged to the bottom of the oceans.
So a homogenous layer of silt, in my opinion is unlikely.
But if there was a global flood the entire planet would be at the bottom of the ocean! Any material suspended in the water would have the potential to be deposited anywhere across the surface of the globe, hence a homogenous layer of silt.

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RickJB
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Message 199 of 293 (470510)
06-11-2008 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 8:36 AM


Re: Timeline of the flood
Lucy writes:
The entire planet would be under water not at the bottom of the ocean.
I was speaking metaphorically - "the entire globe would lie beneath an 'ocean' of water". The water has to cover all the Earth's mountain ranges, does it not?
In any case you're just splitting hairs - "under water" was, of course, what I meant to convey.
Lucy writes:
Any material that is suspended in the water would have the potential to fall, any further movement would require other forces.
"Falling", as you put it, is perfectly capable of laying deposits. We see no global flood deposits, end of story.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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RickJB
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Message 201 of 293 (470585)
06-11-2008 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 11:23 AM


Re: end of story
Lucy writes:
It's not the end of the story. Demonstrate why there should be a single homogeneous layer of sediment...
Just get yourself a Geology textbook - it's all in there.
A large body of water will hold vast amounts of material in suspension and/or solution. When gravity overcomes any other forces acting on the material it sinks to the bed of the body of water. Sedimentary rocks like Sandstone begin their formation in this way.
Try it yourself, put a small portion of fine sand into a glass of water and stir. Leave it to settle and see what happens - it isn't rocket science.
...or concede that a flood was possible.
Er, no.

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RickJB
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Message 211 of 293 (470618)
06-11-2008 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 1:00 PM


Re: end of story
Lucy writes:
Why would I want to get myself a geology text book? So I can learn to conform, and not have to think for myself?
So you can learn?
Lucy writes:
Ok, now take your glass of water add a mixture of all minerals, ores, rocks, bones and tip it out down your driveway. Do we end up with a homogeneous layer of silt? No.
Your example misses the point entirely. We're talking about precipitation/deposition within a body of water.
Have a look at the following picture. Can you see the layer of muddy deposit left behind? If this was a global flood that would be your layer.
Flood Picture
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RickJB
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Message 216 of 293 (470631)
06-11-2008 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 3:05 PM


Re: end of story
Lucy writes:
Give it a couple of years and it will look like this. This town was under water a couple of years ago.
You can't be serious?! The deposits on the road were removed by human activity! Explain to me exactly how the floor of that house would clean itself?
You really aren't thinking this through.

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RickJB
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Message 256 of 293 (471045)
06-14-2008 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by LucyTheApe
06-14-2008 2:13 AM


Re: end of story
Lucy writes:
Ok Nuggin, now sweep up the junk, hire some earth moving equipment, dig up your driveway, the dirt, the clay, the sand and the bedrock. Now put it all in the glass of water and tip it out down a slope. Now do a cross section.
I assume you are aware that geologists don't rely solely on layers of ancient asphalt concrete to see layers?!
Firstly, this analogy doesn't help you. The layer will be discernable if the composition or formation of the material you threw in is different from that which lines the hole. Water moves material around, so when it is deposited it is often placed in an area where the local geology is vastly different from the deposit. Floods move huge amounts of different types of sediment very long distances, so the layer would be visible due to a the difference either in the type of material or its formation.
Secondly, seasonal markers like pollen can also be deposited - this can enable geologists to spot yearly floods.
Thirdly, a global flood would have killed alot of wildlife - this would be seen in the strata.
Finally, if you now fill up your hole it would be possible for a geologist to do a cross section of the area and determine that you dug it due the fact that the material has been rearranged locally.
Again, you're not thinking this through - dirt ain't just "dirt", you know.....

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