How does
Ah, yes, because that has worked brilliantly for the past 25 years, right?
apply to
tal writes:
The purpose of terrorism is to turn the United States into an Islamic state, wipe Israel off the map, and to reestablish the Caliphate.
Then ignoring them will defeat that goal.
"That goal" being specifically the one Tal said -- which is what the comment related to, not to making the terrorists go away.
And yes, it has worked brilliantly at preventing them from establishing a calliphate here, OR wiping Israel off the map.
Lesson #1 in global politics: no nation has been defeated by outside terrorism. The worst they have accomplished so far is kill <3000 affected.
You can't ignore them because they have aspirations to punish us all in the name of Allah.
Yes you can. You can totally ignore the individual terrorists. Why? because NOT ignoring them is what makes terrorism WORK.
Think of how you treat a child having a tantrum.
Ignore the terrorists, deal with the inequalities in the world, the dis-respect of other nations, and the the problems that lead people to take up terrorism and you will solve the problem.
These are trite statistics that neglects to pinpoint the obvious flaw in your rationale-- namely, that car accidents are just that-- accidents. The incineration of 3,000 + people was an act of premeditated murder.
Number of people murdered in the USA in 2005 = 16,692
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
And the country is not brought to it's knees by that either.
Yes, it is murder, so you go after them a murderers. With police.
You DON'T go around scared 24/7. You don't throw away 200 years of rights, freedoms, liberty and justice. You don't go around with an army invading whatever country is convenient but one not at all connected to the murderers.
Imagine one gaining access to nuclear weaponry from Iran or N. Korea, or the defunct USSR? Do you realize that the US has suitcase-sized nuclear bombs that can be transported clandestinely with ease that would decimate the entire Eastern seaboard? We aren't the only nation with technical capacity. Do you realize that an EMP attack is virtually imminent and relatively cheap to manufacture with the aid of a rogue government bent on supplanting the only remaining world super power?
Guess you better deal with the issue of making new terrrorists then, because that stuff is NOT going away. We had a better chance before this whole invasion issue made other nations think twice about the US motives.
Running away in fear will give them encouragement. HAS given them encouragement.
Yes, it will encourage them and strengthen their resolve to come to our own land to attack us for the umteenth time.
So you agree that the Administration policy of running away from terrorism has been a bad policy? All they do is shout "911 911 the sky is falling ... "
... but then they invaded a country that has NOTHING TO DO with the terrorists that attacked rather than deal with the terrorist problem eh?
Most of the insurgents are NOT Iraqi. They're Arab, yes, but few are Iraqi.
Most are Iraqi by any intelligent guess, but that is really beside the point - the point was that Tal labeled them "bad" because they were fighting off foreign invaders. This is simplistic at best, too simplistic to even be naive, imho. It is patently a false conception, as this makes anyone fighting in self defense the
de facto bad guys.
It is beside the point because most of the non-Iraqi fighters are there because why? Because they were radicalized by the US invasion of Iraq, offended by the wanton brutality displayed by the US forces with indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians. The invasion caused the insurrection, as (surprise) they normally do.
What military campaign in human history doesn't have some of its soldiers die in the process.
Irrelevant.
Bush is responsible for sending them into Iraq with insufficient cause, ill planning and ill management.
BUT even if it WERE a just war he would STILL be responsible for their deaths. That IS the responsibility of being Commander in Chief: make sure the expense is justified.
Of course he ran away from fighting in a war when it was his turn, so why would anyone expect any level of responsibility from him eh?
You act as though the US hasn't used laser guided weapons that greatly mitigated the effects of collateral damage. You also act as though coalition forces 'carpet bombed' the Iraqi landscape. If we were out to kill Iraqi's, they'd all be dead. They aren't all dead because that's not an objective of coalition forces.
By the latest rational and considered professional estimates ~600,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed. That's 200 for every American soldier, and it includes women and children.
The "objective" has changed so many times that it's gotten to the point where the only "objective" left is the ludicrous "stay the course" objective of keeping American soldiers in harms way for no good reason.
Let's go back and visit the OP:
Reps have been badgering Dems with the label of "Cut and Run" when they suggest a timetable, or movement on objectives, for US troops to be withdrawn from Iraq.
So why is it that the US has just let NATO take over responsibility for Afghanistan? How will that not let the terrorists grow stronger, or at the very least embolden them and give them a chance to grow stronger?
Why would it not make MORE sense to stay in Afghanistan (where we are closer to the actual terrorists) and let NATO take over the FIASCO in Iraq?
What is the "objective" of this administration in regard to dealing with (1) their own stupidity and (2) the real problem?
They're in prison instead of having their heads lobbed off with butterknives. What do you want to see happen? Them let go? The pictures of the people who want to kill you with electrodes and barking dogs are isolated incidents that have been dealt with. Those personell at Abu Ghraib will have to stand before a military tribunal, and you can bet your bottom dollar their punishment will be severe just because of the negative headlines.
I believe they are the tip of the iceberg on the human rights offenses committed by this administration.
I expect the nation that prides itself on being an example to the world of freedom, justice, equality, and liberty to defend those ideals, to show how we can deal with this situation without sacrificing those ideals for convenience. Ideals are not convenient, they are taskmasters. True leadership is by example.
The person responsible for the mess is again Schwubbia, because he publicly stated as much when he said the conventions don't apply. He set the example of trashing rights, freedoms, justice, liberty - not just for the prisoners but for Americans as well.
Of course this is to be expected from someone who has taken short-cuts all his life eh? Does the end justify the means?
Its all been tried. Ignoring them, pardoning them, making peace with them, coddling them, killing them, punishing them-- what options to you suggest at this point for both Israel and the US?
What do I suggest? The one thing that has NOT been tried: dealing with the issues that make people terrorists in the first place. Why was Hamas elected?
Iraq has nothing to do with capturing the terrorists that attacked the trade towers.
What is it about then?
Stupidity? or something truly evil? You tell me - when a country invades another for no good reason what is it about? When you do it based on lies, what is it about? When you run out of excuses to the point where the only thing left is "stay the course" then what is it about?
This is stultifying and about the time I shut down. Bin Laden is oppressed?
I said "Terrorism is a response to oppression" - Bin Laden has emerged as a leader because (1) the USA trained him and (2) he sees it as something he can take advantage of to suit his personal agenda. The people that come to him to be the tools of terrorism are oppressed.
Bin Laden also wants to free Saudi Arabia from the current leaders. Think about that for a bit eh? That is his true purpose.
I won't argue that. So, again, just pretend its not happening will work, like shutting your eyes makes the bad man go away? Out of sight, out of mind?
You still don't get it.
Take care of the problem, not the symptoms.
Schwubbia and all his supporters are closing their eyes to the real problem - and yes, doing that will not make it go away, it is WHY
We see these results in the new studies that SHOW that terrorist ranks have increased since Schwubbia invaded Iraq - in spite of the number killed.
It is a failed program. It is going the wrong way. It is making things worse.
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