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Author Topic:   Please explain Cut and Run criteria in light of Afghanistan
skepticfaith
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Message 16 of 191 (355419)
10-09-2006 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
10-09-2006 6:38 AM


Have to cut and run
quote:
That is the nation where the Taliban (the group which protects AQ) not only still exists but is making a come back.
You have got it all wrong. They (Taliban ) had nothing to do with 911...
In fact it is assumed that AQ had something to do with 911..
What we know is that American foreign policy in Middle East is what motivated (and will continue to motivate) acts like 911.
If the US does not change its behavior towards them (especially supplying Nuclear Power Israel with weapons,ignoring Palenstians etc and dictating that others have no right to nuclear weapons), then their behavior too will not change.. this is human nature and it is as simple as that..
If you propose that the US remain a bully, then the only chance of victory is complete annihilation of the middle east..

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skepticfaith
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Message 20 of 191 (355430)
10-09-2006 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Silent H
10-09-2006 4:32 PM


Re: Have to cut and run
The US presence in these regions will foster more hatred and in the long run give more power to Taliban (and similar organizations) because of grass roots support.
Leaving will be much better in the long run, because it allows them to choose their own destiny. It is not up to the Americans to decide the fate of Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter.
The US can contribute to a peace keeping force but it needs to pull out at once. Otherwise this thing will drag on forever and more US soldier's lives will be lost.

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skepticfaith
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Message 39 of 191 (355658)
10-10-2006 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Silent H
10-10-2006 6:32 AM


Re: Have to cut and run
quote:
It was not a response to the US, and was in large part empowered by the US.
Yes, so this is essentially the same thing. The US is responsible for the Taliban in some form or manner.
quote:
empower a moderate gov't by protecting it from attacks as well as eliminating aggressive military forces
Wrong - this is essentially the same thing (at least for current administration) as # 1 . The US calling all the shots..
What I was trying to say is that the people in that region hate the US as long as US is the occupying force and they don't see the moderate government as nothing more than a puppet government. The US media of course tries to portray some in the ME as welcoming the US. Not so, they want it to end right now.
quote:
What is the constitual difference between a peacekeeping force and our current military personnel
The difference is that this will not be a occupying force..This force will just provide food distribution etc and be ready to leaveas soon as they are forced out.
quote:
we have a responsibility to minimize their casualties
hell no! we dont.. When the Bizzaros in the white house say they hate us - they are right. But not because of our freedom but because we dare to occupy their land and then try to dictate their governement for them.
Your argument is essentially the weak (somewhat) antiwar Democrat response that makes no sense and will guarantee another republican victory, (which is exactly why the democrats are beating the war drums for iran) .
What we need is not just 'cut and run' but a radical change in American foreign policy in ME. I know it won't happen though...
quote:
Only with security will they be able to choose their destiny in a way that has a hope of lasting more than one military dictator at a time.
Essentially, you are restating what the overall objective of the war against Iraq and Agf was about.
As stated in the orignal plan by the Bush Gov. I think Bush even mentioned it in one of his silly speeeches:
A transformation of the region
What the people there want does not factor in at all, and never will regardless of who is in power (Democ or Repub).

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skepticfaith
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Message 40 of 191 (355660)
10-10-2006 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by iano
10-10-2006 12:29 PM


Explain this to me.
quote:
The West will not tolerate any threat to oil - for it cannot afford to tolerate it no more than Israel can tolerate Irans development of nuclear weapons
Explain to me why Iran should tolerate Israel in possession of fully developed nuclear weapons.
And why should any country in the midde east feel safe
from Israel?
As for the alleged 'nazi' statements made by some of the ME leaders that israel should be wiped off the map:
Where was Israel 70 years ago?
The hypocrisy here is so astounding..

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skepticfaith
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Message 44 of 191 (355735)
10-10-2006 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by iano
10-10-2006 6:39 PM


Not a good analogy..
quote:
Winning the hearts and minds of people might reduce recruitment levels at some point but this is a problem of now. And what we have seen is that you only need a relatively insignificant number of people who are bent on your destruction NOW to inflict serious damage.
the 'root' cause for a terrorist and a criminal are very different, so I don't see how you can equate a terrorist to a criminal..
A terrorist is essentially a person willing to murder innocent people to draw attention to what he sees as an injustice. Normally the issue is a legitmate grevience but the means to bring it to light is questionable.
911 is a terrorist response to quite a lot of problems which the US government was directly responsible for..this should be quite easy to see, but the mainstream media likes fairly tale story instead..and most people are buying..
What really gets me angry is the hypocrisy of the whole thing.
If you really want to subscribe to might is right why not nuke em all? We've killed thousands of them already and they'll never forget that..
We've got to accept we are the powerful and the oppressors not the oppressed
(we meaning US /world government)

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