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CK
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Message 211 of 260 (179740)
01-22-2005 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by johnfolton
01-22-2005 6:08 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
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Given the atmosphere is rolled back it wouldn't be any atmosphere to be heated on its way up.
And you don't see the most obvious blinding problem?
Nice try with the "spin" stuff - it's a good switch and bait tactic intended to a)make us angry so that you can accuse us of bad manners and storm off b)divert from what you are saying.
It's a nice try but you lack in too many basics to pull it off.

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DrJones*
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Message 212 of 260 (179741)
01-22-2005 6:13 PM
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01-22-2005 6:08 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, One last spin, the bible says the atmosphere was rolled back, it says the windows of heaven were opened. Given the atmosphere is rolled back it wouldn't be any atmosphere to be heated on its way up.
Well if you're going to rely on magic just say so instead of pretending that there is some scientific explanation. Could you explain how Noah and the animals lived with no air to breath?
Were talking about water just welled up above the atmosphere, don't see this as a problem.
What do you mean "welled up above the atmosphere"? If its above the atmosphere it's going to gain alot of speed on the way down. Do you not understand simple physics?
edited to add:
I took it that JonF is saying rain fell our of orbit it would pick up such speed that when it hit the atmosphere it would generate heat
When one moving object collides with another object heat is always generated, no matter what speed the first object is moving at. Take a hammer and pound on a piece of metal for a while, both the hammer and the metal will get hotter. Once more its simple high school physics.
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Message 213 of 260 (179742)
01-22-2005 6:21 PM
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01-22-2005 6:13 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, Got to spin on out of here, the window of heaven (atmosphere) was opened by the super steamed water pressing it aside.
Noah had greater air pressure with all air being displaced and all this water pressing downward on the atmosphere.
Take Care
Tom

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Message 214 of 260 (179743)
01-22-2005 6:24 PM
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01-22-2005 6:21 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, Got to spin on out of here, the window of heaven (atmosphere) was opened by the super steamed water pressing it aside.
For the steam to press aside the atmosphere it would have to touch the atmosphere and it would have to be in contact for the whole time the steam was spewing upwards. With contact you get heat transfer. The steam will lose heat to the atmosphere. Noah fries.
Noah had greater air pressure with all air being displaced and all this water pressing downward on the atmosphere
How did Noah survive this increased air pressure?
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Message 215 of 260 (179746)
01-22-2005 6:26 PM
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01-22-2005 6:21 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
Bye Charley.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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JonF
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Message 216 of 260 (179749)
01-22-2005 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by johnfolton
01-22-2005 6:08 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
Rain can only fall so fast in the atmosphere. I took it that JonF is saying rain fell our of orbit it would pick up such speed that when it hit the atmosphere it would generate heat. Were talking about water just welled up above the atmosphere, don't see this as a problem.
Well, sorry, but you are totally ignorant of the subject. That's why you don't see the problem.
Yes, rain can only fall so fast in the atmosphere, but that's irrelevant. I didn't say anythign about speed. I just said "energy is conserved", and that's all you need to know.
Energy is conserved. It is neither ceated nor destroyed. When the water shoots out of the ground, it has kinetic energy (lots of kinetic energy, if it's going to it make it out of the atmosphere). When the water is back on the surface of the Earth, it doesn't have that kinetic energy anymore. The energy doesn't get destroyed; it goes somewhere. The only place it can go is into the Earth's atmosphere, as heat. How it turns into heat is an interesting question, but the fact that it turns into heat is not a question at all. It's just a fact.
Now, consider a raindrop falling in the atmosphere. Yes, it can only go so fast. Why? Because of friction with the air. And what does that friction with the air do? It dissipates some of the energy of the fall of the raindrop as heat that warms the atmosphere. The rest of the energy of the fall of the raindrop gets converted into heat when the raindrop strikes the Earth. All the kinetic or potential energy that the raindrop had is converted to heat, no matter how fast it falls.
For normal rain, the effect is small; but for half the current contents of the ocean (which is more than fifty thousand times more than all the water in the atmosphere, see Where is Earth's water located?) falling from hundreds of miles high (normal raindrops fall less than five miles), the effect would be gigantic ... heating the atmosphere enough to destroy all life.
The amount of heat added to the atmosphere is the amount of kinetic energy the water had when it jetted out, plus whatever heat transfers as the water goes by. No matter how the water gets back to Earth, no matter how fast a raindrop can fall, no matter anything. That's the heat added to the atmosphere.
Of course, if the water jetting out doesn't have enough kinetic energy to make it out of the atmosphere, then the effect is much smaller ... but then all the heat in the water (manifested as high temperature) transfers to the atmosphere rather than being cooled in space, and everybody's dead again.

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Message 217 of 260 (179751)
01-22-2005 6:34 PM
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01-22-2005 6:08 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
Given the atmosphere is rolled back there wouldn't be any atmosphere to be heated on its way up.
And, for the third time, everyone would die of suffocation. Or from the far-more-than-hurricane-force winds that would create.

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Message 218 of 260 (179753)
01-22-2005 6:35 PM
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01-22-2005 6:24 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, It would only be heating the fringes of the ocean and the atmosphere. The increase in air pressure was likely not all that great cause this outpouring happened over 40 days/nights. It likely just made breathing easier within the ark. You have so many questions, perhaps you should just read Walts book.

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Brian
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Message 219 of 260 (179754)
01-22-2005 6:37 PM
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01-22-2005 6:35 PM


Welcome back Laz!
That was quick!
Now that you have been shown that you really have no clue what you are talking about, do you have any intention of educating yourself?
Brian.

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DrJones*
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Message 220 of 260 (179759)
01-22-2005 6:44 PM
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01-22-2005 6:35 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, It would only be heating the fringes of the ocean and the atmosphere.
So now you're rretracting your previous claim that it wouldn't heat the atmosphere or ocean at all?
You have so many questions, perhaps you should just read Walts book.
If what you're proposing here is representative of the material in the book then its obbviously garbage not worth my time or money.

*not an actual doctor

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Message 221 of 260 (179760)
01-22-2005 6:45 PM
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01-22-2005 6:34 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
JonF, If it rolled back the atmosphere, Ocean it would be ever so gentle, well at least after perhaps one initial gigantic tsunami. That why Noah built his ark away from the Oceans. They mocked Noah cause he was building an oceanliner perhaps hundreds or thousands of miles from the ocean.
P.S. I know your going to disagree, and you have every right to disagree. I'm now going to let you have the last word. I agree that we disagree.

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Message 222 of 260 (179770)
01-22-2005 7:37 PM
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01-22-2005 6:45 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
If it rolled back the atmosphere, Ocean it would be ever so gentle,
A supersonic plume of superheated live steam is gentle? It would blow a good portion of the atmosphere out to space, lowering the pressure in that area, and causing incredible winds to flow into tath area to releive the pressure differnetion.
I notice that you totally ignored the facts I laid out showing how the atmosphere would be heated when the water returned.

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Coragyps
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Message 223 of 260 (179774)
01-22-2005 7:52 PM
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01-22-2005 2:58 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
The heat would of been dissipated into outer space, as each water molecule heat was sucked out by the cold vacuum of space within and above the erupting fountains of the deep.
I missed or slept through that day in Physical Chemistry class where ol' Blyholder explained how vacuum sucks heat out of molecules. I can't find it in the textbook, either. Would you explain it a little for me, Tom?

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Message 224 of 260 (179775)
01-22-2005 8:00 PM
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01-22-2005 6:44 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
If what you're proposing here is representative of the material in the book then its obbviously garbage not worth my time or money.
No money, at least, 'cause it's online:
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - The Hydroplate Theory: An Overview
And it's not all that big a waste of time. It's not as funny as The Onion, but way funnier than, say, Rush Limbaugh.

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Message 225 of 260 (179776)
01-22-2005 8:07 PM


Isn't it great how Tom just soldiers on through all this? Head down, arse up and trudge.

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