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arachnophilia
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Message 202 of 300 (337975)
08-04-2006 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Faith
08-04-2006 6:17 PM


Re: Again the much-vilified truth about Islamic terrorism
Victor Davis Hanson shows that this attitude is like the pre-Hitler world when appeasement and denial and blind misinterpretation of the facts were also rampant.
or, you know, an entire race of people are vilified as vermin and a threat to ordered society.
granted, the claim is a little more valid with arabs -- as there are arabs that blow things up (whereas the jews were relatively harmless) -- but racism is racism.
I suppose this is a supernatural blindness and there is no hope of waking any of you up,
perhaps it's you who needs to wake up for a change. islamic fundamentalism is dangerous because fundamentalism is dangerous. religion is being used as a tool to manipulate people. islam itself is not the problem. the qu'ran is not the problem (any more than the bible is the problem with some of the crazier sects of orthodox jews, and the fundamentalist christians like yourself). it's the disconnection from an educated reading of the text, and the simplistic mindset of "it means what the sheikh/pastor/rabbi told me it means. if i understand it any other way, i must be wrong or perhaps thinking too much."
it's far too standard now for the christian fundamentalists to spread hate and lies about islam in general, not just the fundies over there. how is this different from jew-blame? it's still anti-semitism. hate hate hate. how soon will we see christian fundamentalists turn into their islamic enemies, and resort the same extreme measures?
for someone living in such a glass house, maybe you shouldn't throw stones.


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arachnophilia
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Message 216 of 300 (338029)
08-04-2006 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
08-04-2006 8:34 PM


Re: It IS the Jews who are being vilified. AGAIN
What a bunch of utterly mindless formulaic moral equivalence.
in 1940's germany, racism lead to genocide. why do you think racism against any group is ok? racism is racism. i don't care if you think the claims are justified. every racist thinks their claims are justified.
The piece by Hanson shows the terrible truth that it is the Jews who are again being demonized by the world,
perhaps you should read it again. it's the islamic fundamentalists who demonize jews. nobody disputes that, except for the islamic fundamentalists themselves. they say "it's the truth!" and goddamn anyone who speqks against them for their racism. just like your post.
and i know a lot of radical zionists have quite the victim complex, but jews are not demonized by the world. the world may not support all of israel's actions, but that's not the same as demonizing jews in general. and i promise you that not all jews walk around thinking people are persecuting them all the time. in fact, there are very many who are quite comfortable living in this country -- in this very city, actually.
in the rush to excuse the real villains in the worldwide drama,
nobody is excusing the real villians. the problem is that you're conflating "militant islamic fundamentalists" (the real villians) with "islam in general." the problem is that you do not have an adequate grasp on who the real problem is, and so you settle for your a generalization -- racism.
and seriously, faith, are you gonna accuse me of anti-semitism again, because i don't support your blind hatred of an entire of people? i will continue to find this highly laughable. perhaps your problem is that you don't understand how anyone can not be a fundamentalist. so all real muslims are fundies, just like the only real christians are fundies. maybe it's just that you are utterly incapable of seeing shades of gray.


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arachnophilia
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Message 217 of 300 (338030)
08-04-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
08-04-2006 9:23 PM


Even many Jews these days are anti-Israel.
in the same regard that democrats are anti-america. now that we've determined the problem in your logic...
...you're gonna talk about national socialism, when you're evidently a nationalist yourself?


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arachnophilia
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Message 218 of 300 (338031)
08-04-2006 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by ringo
08-04-2006 9:44 PM


Don't worship the "fulfilled prophecy" of the state of Israel to the point where you lose all touch with what is right and wrong.
excuse the fight with faith, but actually she's sorta right. there are jews (not MANY, but SOME) that are indeed anti-israel, and it's because of prophecy. i pointed her once before to a group of orthodox jews that supports hamas, specifically because they call for the destruction of the state of israel.
you see, the prophecy regarding the restoration of israel involves the messiah. no messiah? no israel.
things are considerably more complicated in israel and palestine (and lebanon) than the fundamentalists here would like us to believe. not all arabs are bad, not all jews are good, and not everyone is calling for the destruction of everyone else.


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arachnophilia
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Message 219 of 300 (338032)
08-04-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by jar
08-04-2006 9:00 PM


The majority of Palestinians that are being shelled are not terrorists.
shell them enough, and they are.
It is NOT ideological.
it's political, but the ideology is a factor. it's used to manipulate people for political ends. it's really impossible to separate politics and ideology in the middle east.


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arachnophilia
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Message 222 of 300 (338041)
08-04-2006 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
08-04-2006 11:19 PM


You didn't need to point me there. I'm aware of it. But the Jews who are anti-Israel I'm thinking of are the diehard leftists among them.
yes, faith, i know who were thinking of. thus, the argument. you have the same problem with israel that you do with america. clearly, the left is against the country. they don't just disagree on how it should be run -- you either support how it's run, or you're anti-israel/anti-america. right, faith. right. us. them.
For some reason Islamic terrorism strikes leftists as a wonderful cause to support.
nobody is supporting terrorism. the problem is that we don't all support occupation or military action that involves a lot of collateral damage and civilian deaths as a solution to the problem. most of us with any familiarity with the region understand that these things just feed the problem and create more terrorists.
wanna make every palestinian a terrorist? kill their fathers. doesn't matter if they're actually terrorists -- if every child grows up remembering when israel killed their fathers, you'll have a lot of terrorists on your hands. this is something you don't seem to grasp yet. hamas is a charity organization. they fund schools, shelters, and generally help the palestinian peoples (in their own strict muslim way). yes, they have a military wing that tries to blow up israel. but when you kill hamas leaders, all palestinians see is israel killing a charity organization. more martyrs, more terrorists.
This is utterly irrelevant to the specific topic of terrorism and in this particular context its origin in Islamic ideology.
i was explaining the logic to ringo.
Nobody is denying the complications, merely saying that the terrorism is the overarching problem and until that is dealt with the complications, the history, the relation of the terrorists to the average Muslim, is all irrelevant.
that is so completely and utterly ignorant that i don't know how to respond. these things are all factors that feed the problem. you don't fix the problem without fixing these things. you can't just kill all the terrorists. for every terrorist you kill, there are three more waiting to fill his shoes. and you've just made them, by killing someone in their family.
the relations to the average muslim does matter. a lot. the history does matter, more than anything else. the complications HAVE to be dealt with.
Also, saying that terrorism originates in Islam is not saying that all Muslims are bad.
"bigotry is a christian problem" isn't saying all christians are bad.
but, you see, terrorism does not originate in islam. islam is a tool that terrorists use to convinve people to commit acts of terror. but islam has strict commandments against suicide, and killing innocent people. "selective reading" and it's most brutally violent.
terrorism originates in political matters. religion is a factor, but not the cause.
Edited by arachnophilia, : typo


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