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Faith
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Message 271 of 300 (338242)
08-06-2006 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by ringo
08-06-2006 1:07 PM


Defensive attack is quite correct. It's a matter of motivation. This is what makes Israel the victim, not the action itself, not the number of deaths but the motivation, the purpose, which is purely defensive-- to remove Hezbollah's threat to Israel. As opposed to Hezbollah's purely vindictive hate-driven revenge-driven murderous motivation.

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Message 272 of 300 (338243)
08-06-2006 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Faith
08-06-2006 1:11 PM


Searching for some logic in there.
jar asked:

If the US bombed Quebec do you think it might be considered illegal?

to which Faith replied:

quote:
Not if Quebec was hosting terrorists who were bombing us.

So you believe that just because some terrorists hide in Quebec it would be okeydokey for the US to just bomb the soveriegn Nation of Canada?

I understand now. Thank you for explaining your position, I am sure Ottawa will be impressed by your logic.


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ringo
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Message 273 of 300 (338244)
08-06-2006 1:21 PM
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08-06-2006 1:12 PM


Faith writes:

This is what makes Israel the victim, not the action itself, not the number of deaths but the motivation, the purpose, which is purely defensive-- to remove Hezbollah's threat to Israel.

Not true at all. Legality/illegality is about the action, not the motivation. Motivation can sometimes mitigate bad actions, but it can never excuse bad actions.

The number of deaths is certainly more important than the motivation. Is it permissible to kill hundreds to save dozens? Show us the math.


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Message 274 of 300 (338245)
08-06-2006 1:28 PM
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08-06-2006 1:21 PM


quote:
Is it permissible to kill hundreds to save dozens?

Especially when those hundreds are as "innocent" as these dozens.


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Faith
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Message 275 of 300 (338249)
08-06-2006 2:02 PM
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08-06-2006 1:28 PM


The deaths are unintentional, and most of them are engineered by Hezbollah. THAT ought to be impermissible.

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Faith
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Message 276 of 300 (338250)
08-06-2006 2:05 PM
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08-06-2006 1:19 PM


Re: Searching for some logic in there.
What a bunch of lies to whitewash murder. Hezbollah is a real threat to Israel and determined to become a bigger threat. They aren't "hiding," they have put themselves in position to attack Israel and they committed the act of aggression of kidnapping Israeli soldiers. Israel is within its rights to demolish their ability to kill more Israelis.

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Faith
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Message 277 of 300 (338252)
08-06-2006 2:08 PM
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08-06-2006 1:21 PM


The deaths are unintentional, mostly staged by Hezbollah to get the predictable mindless sympathy of the left, and motivation makes all the difference.

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Message 278 of 300 (338255)
08-06-2006 2:15 PM
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08-06-2006 2:08 PM


Faith writes:

The deaths are unintentional....

Irrelevant. If I drive drunk and unintentionally kill people, it's still illegal.

... mostly staged by Hezbollah to get the predictable mindless sympathy of the left....

Irrelevant. If Hezbollah sends innocent pedestrians out in the street when I'm driving drunk, it's still my responsibility.

And sympathy is never "mindless". Shame on you.

... and motivation makes all the difference.

Still false, no matter how many times you repeat it. My motivation might be to go and help the needy, but if I drive drunk to get there, it's still wrong.


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Faith
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Message 279 of 300 (338256)
08-06-2006 2:17 PM
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08-06-2006 2:15 PM


Israel is not driving drunk. They are defending their people from terrorists. And yes sympathy with murderers and sympathy that blames the wrong cause of suffering is mindless

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Chiroptera
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Message 280 of 300 (338257)
08-06-2006 2:23 PM
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08-06-2006 2:15 PM


quote:
Irrelevant. If I drive drunk and unintentionally kill people, it's still illegal.

Actually, the analogy I think of is a group of police officers firing into a crowd of people to try to take out an unseen gunman.


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Message 281 of 300 (338258)
08-06-2006 2:33 PM
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08-06-2006 2:17 PM


And yes sympathy with murderers and sympathy that blames the wrong cause of suffering is mindless

I don't know about you, Faith, but I have sympathy for children. I have sympathy for ambulance drivers on a mission of humanitarian aid.

As far as I'm concerned, both Israel and Hizballah are to blame, and it just shows how fundamentalist religion that can brook no compromise nor tolerate any deviation is a destructive force that deserves extinction.


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Faith
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Message 282 of 300 (338260)
08-06-2006 2:34 PM
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08-06-2006 2:23 PM


Hezbollah's sure got your number.

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Faith
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Message 283 of 300 (338261)
08-06-2006 2:35 PM
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08-06-2006 2:33 PM


I have no sympathy for murderers who set up their own civilian population to be murdered for the sake of PR. You all keep changing the subject but that is the subject.

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ringo
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Message 284 of 300 (338262)
08-06-2006 2:36 PM
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08-06-2006 2:17 PM


Faith writes:

And yes sympathy with murderers and sympathy that blames the wrong cause of suffering is mindless

quote:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Jesus didn't single out muderers the way you do - He had sympathy for all sinners. If He was "mindless", I guess us lefties are in good company.


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Message 285 of 300 (338264)
08-06-2006 2:40 PM
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08-06-2006 2:36 PM


Jesus forgives REPENTANT sinners, not unrepentant sinners. Unbelievable how you all misapply scripture. Very sad.

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