There is no need to be so sensitive. It is possible that your "bloodline" is from both Arab and European, I have no way of knowing and I really could not care less. My point was that you claimed that you are Palestinian by "blood", something you could not possibly know for certain without a DNA test.
And in fact I am partly European and Native American but that is because my mother is not a
Phillistini and I don't need a DNA test to show that. I can claim to be Palestinian by blood because I can trace my heritage back on my fathers side for dozens of generations all to people who lived where we lived now in
Phillistin. Your seem to still think that Palestinians don't really exist even though you are talking to one. If you want to call me by the name that other Arabs have called my family for generations
Phillistini then you can instead of the westernized name of Palestinian.
I am an American, but I do not claim to be an American by blood as there is no such thing. Not even those who we now refer to as "Native American" are American by blood. Every single individual living on this continent is an immigrant, only the period of time with regards to their migration separates us. Some are American by birth, some by choice, and some by conquest.....but none are so by blood.
This is what make America so unique. It is because America was created BY the immigration of nearly all nationalities that makes it hard to have "American decent". This line is slowly being blurred through as more and more people have a diverse group of ancestry who live in the states. That doesn’t change the fact that I am a
Phillistini from my fathers side having that been our identification for longer than you can probably trace your ancestry. Your disbelief does not make it any less fact.
Conquest is nothing new to mankind and for someone to claim that because they choose to call themselves Palestinians gives them the unquestionable right to a certain piece of land is to lend support the argument that because one calls oneself an Israeli or a Jew that they have the unquestionable right to the land of their ancestors.
You have a right to your home because you live there. If someone came and forcibly kicked you out of your home then you would have the right to defend yourself and your property. Palestinians feel they have the right to the land because it was
already their land before they were removed by force by an invader!
In fact, the Arabs who also dwelt in that land did not immediately adopt this title either, it is a title that was, in large extent, forced upon them. They knew they were Arabs.
Did you not read my previous post. You are wrong by the very fact that we and other Arabs have been calling us
Phillistini for much longer than the westernized word Palestinian has existed. Once again, your disbelief does not make your position true.
If you choose to call yourself a Palestinian that is your choice but do not expect people to buy into the lie that somehow Palestine is your ancient homeland or that anyone who calls themselves a Palestinian has some god given right to the land.
It is my homeland due to the fact that we have actually been living there much longer then you seem to be able to comprehend. If a piece of property has been in your family for 1000 years is that not your homeland? If all the rest of the clans around you have maintained possession of their property for just as long is that not their homeland?
Several nationalities have controlled the land over the millennia, including the Jews who control it once again. I would give no more credence to those calling themselves Palestinians crying out "the land belongs to us" than I would to Mexicans crying out "the land belongs to us" when referring to the Southwest U.S.A., and don't try to use the argument that the Mexicans no longer inhabit that land. I live in that land and believe me, they are a large part of the population, but they live in America, not Mexico.
There is one MAJOR difference between the American conquest of Mexico and the Israeli occupation of the Palestinians. America at one point stopped killing Mexicans so that the healing process could begin. This has not been done in holy land. You see, when keep killing people it only makes them want to kill you more. Unless you kill them all to which one would be no better than Hitler and his plan for the Jews.
It behooves the victor of this action, the Israelis, to cease action on their people of conquest. If killing is not ceased by the invader, then why would you ever expect the resistance to cease?
The Arabs had the opportunity for a Palestinian nation
Who said they wanted a nation? We have a nation here in America and it doesn’t seem to be helping us do anything better than anyone else right now except kill people.
something that has never existed in the history of mankind, but because their nation would exist next to a Jewish nation they chose war instead. They continue to suffer the consequences of that choice.
Get out or die? What a great list of options!!!!
If and when they choose to join the other nations of the 21st century and choose peace with their Israeli neighbors I will applaud them.
How about if first Israel joined the 21st century and started following international law as it relates to human right and the responsibilities of an occupying force? You seem to think that this is all the Palestinians fault and that poor invading Israel is just a victim.
Until that time, they must bear the burden, and the full responsibility, of their children dying needlessly while they continue to engage in a war that cannot be won through terrorist attacks on civilians.
So basically, they need to submit to being terrorized or put up with their children being killed? Isn’t that the same thing!?!?!?!?!
Neither do I buy into the argument that "there are Arab children with stones being killed by Israeli soldiers with guns." One need only be hit in the head with a stone to understand that it too can be a lethal weapon.
Except when you are wearing armor and a helmet or are hmm.lets see. in a TANK!
The only hope for peace is for the Arabs to make peace with Israel, accepting them as their neighbor.
Which can only be done once Israel stops killing and terrorizing the people they occupy. How about that list of things that has happened to my family since the invasion and continues to happen to the people to this day? The story about the Palestinians being harassed by dogs and even shot during their yearly olive harvest is recent.
Until that happens Arab children will continue to die needlessly and Arab adults will have no one to blame but themselves.
And this is the most sick and disgusting perpetuation of hatred and nonsense I have ever hear come out of the mouth of an individual that I can remember. Until you accept your illegal and oppressive occupation, your children are going to keep dying and you have no one to blame except yourself.
I can’t believe a human being claiming to want a peaceful resolution to this would say such a ghastly thing.
It is a sad truth but a truth nonetheless. If I had to choose between sharing land while making peace with an enemy or risk the lives of my children, the choice is a no-brainer. I would choose peace everytime.
Except living next to Israelis is not their biggest issue. It is the fact that they are being killed and terrorized by those Israelis that they are taking offense to. If I don’t like my neighbor for some reason that is fine but as soon as he starts breaking into my house and terrorizing my family then I WILL defend myself.
My children are far more important to me that any piece of land that has changed hands over and over and over again. Too bad the Arabs in power are not so level headed. If they truly cared about their Arabs brothers and sisters, they could have enjoyed the benefits of peace since 1948 instead of the senseless path of war and violence that they chose to embark upon.
What about being able to send your children to school? What if the condition of your
acceptance was that you could no longer receive healthcare or educate your children? Would you fight and risk everything? Seems to me that there have been many times in history where a whole bunch of people chose this path and rightly so.
What has it gotten them? Heartache, misery, and poverty...
And who so gladly delivered that heartache, misery, and poverty?
I have my hopes but until the Arabs elect a leader who truly seeks peace I predict several more decades of needless suffering and death on both sides.
Until Israel realizes that they have no right to kill, maim, burn, loot, tax, harass, and bully innocent people then I predict several more decades of needless suffering and death on both sides as well.
ABE:
For many years you have picked olives in the same grove as your fathers. Except now you get shot and and mauled by dogs.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Ugly war over West Bank olive crop
This message has been edited by Jazzns, 12-05-2004 11:51 AM
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