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Rei
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Message 38 of 170 (142792)
09-16-2004 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
09-16-2004 10:14 AM


Re: It WAS a good movie, kiddo
No no no... you've got it all wrong. Rush Limbaugh is a nazi. (mp3, polka)

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Rei
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Message 145 of 170 (143768)
09-21-2004 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by arachnophilia
09-21-2004 7:10 PM


Oh, sexism is alive and well, let me tell you. Take Wal-Mart's, pay scales and job distributions, for example. More at The Women of Wal-Mart
Now that we've covered the nation's largest retail chain, do we want to get into the largest employer of women in the country (the DoD)? Sexism is the least of the problems there. Here's a brief article to let you know the current situation of women in the army. Here's some numbers for you that show the effect of such policies.

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Rei
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Message 149 of 170 (143777)
09-21-2004 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by arachnophilia
09-21-2004 8:28 PM


Oh, come on, now. Are you going to deny the fact that the military has a completely male-oriented culture in the officer ranks that has been trying to cover up things like rapes? Did you not read the article I provided before the study on the rate of rapes of women in the military? Here, let me quote:
In reference to reports of assault on women in the military - to quote Sanchez: "The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory."
The military takes an incredibly lax attitude toward rapes; women often report that they weren't even transferred, upon request, away from the unit in which the perpetrator served. This is an incredible thing to picture - having to serve with - and sometimes even salute and follow the commands of - the person who raped you.
Lets follow the timeline here, just for one isolated set of incidents. Karpinski complained several times about assaults taking place. Sanchez, and under him Diamond, did absolutely nothing. Only when the victims took to the media was an investigation launched.
Just so people don't miss the numbers:
30% of women in the military report having either been the victim of a rape or an attempted rape
3/4ths reported sexual harassment
54% reported unwanted sexual contact
37% of the rape victims had been raped more than once
14% of rape victims had been gang raped
Your attempted dodge that this wasn't so much an issue because we don't know the number of men raped in the military is a dodge. Even if the ratios were merely on par with those in the general population (doubtful), that would mean that 91% of the cases were "male rapes female", 8% would be "male rapes male", 0.8% would be "female rapes female", and 0.2% would be "female rapes male". However, seing as I can't find a *single* case of "male rapes male" or "female rapes male" that's made it to the media, or been uncovered in an investigation, I am only left to assume that they're relatively rare, and that we're only seing an increase in the "male rapes female" case.
And, of course, we're seing the further problem of an institution that bloody doesn't care.
Simply, these raw numbers - and statements like have been repeatedly been given talking about how women should expect it in the military - are simply incomprehensible. Everything about how the military treats rapes is just crazy. They use the McDowell checklist, which reports a 60% rate of "false reporting" on rapes, as opposed to the general population's 8%. They don't allow unit transfers as a general rule. The perpetrators are very rarely prosecuted. Complaints often lead to further harassment. This has been a huge problem.
Here's another article on the subject:
Page not found – Awakened Woman
They link to a DOD study on the subject that I'd recommend that you read:
http://www.dod.gov/news/May2004/d20040513SATFReport.pdf
The results are really quite damning. And it's all due to this male-oriented culture. Not surprising, really.
This message has been edited by Rei, 09-21-2004 07:58 PM

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Rei
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Message 153 of 170 (143785)
09-21-2004 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by arachnophilia
09-21-2004 9:10 PM


Ok, Arachnophilia: Please explain why you would expect the rates of women being raped in the military to be a *lower* percentage of total rapes than in the military than in the general populace, in mixed sex environments. It's hard to find exact numbers; however, I did find the following study on men raped in the military:
Niet gevonden - Not found
It's been moved to pay content since it's now more than a year old, but the google text on the search (cached before it got moved) states "studies have estimated that between 5 and 10 percent of rapes are against men".
While it is not *exclusively* a crime against women, rape IS a crime against women the vast majority of the time. And the problem here is not so much the rapes, but the culture that allows it to continue, and promotes people who think that women should see it as coming with the territory to the rank of general. A culture which gets a "60% of women reporting rapes are lying" rate instead of the civilian 8%. A culture which vehemently resists investigations on the subject until forced to by people going to the press. Etc.
It's the same culture that didn't even allow women to be fighter pilots until recently, so it's not surprising. How can you try and portray something like that as not being a fallback to 19th century social attitudes toward women?
This message has been edited by Rei, 09-21-2004 08:32 PM

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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 156 of 170 (143791)
09-21-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by arachnophilia
09-21-2004 9:39 PM


I didn't want to interfere with your debate with crash, but this really got to me...
quote:
quote:
Oh, well! Hire the band and we'll dance in the streets! There's one or two women CEO's! Feminism has won
there's two on the fortune 500. i just listed the 13th biggest company in the world, and it's run by a woman. there's a LOT more that are not on the fortune 500. like i said, the percentage is not great and has a long way to go, but it's not like they don't exist.
2 out of 500 means that there isn't a problem? Are you crazy? Because you're arguing that there's not a problem. How on earth can you reconcile this?
Also:
quote:
i make 6.50 an hour. i'll call you when i see that substantially larger pay.
Why are you so obsessed with anecdotal cases? I'm sure you know damn well that women on average make 3/4ths of what men make (in the US), and make between 80 and 90% for the same job. This is really evident in things like the Wal Mart numbers that I provided, but it exists across the board.

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