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Message 5 of 372 (411069)
07-18-2007 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Repzion
07-18-2007 2:59 PM


No, there has never been a world wide flood.
What Evidence? Although the flood account is believable, no one can prove it happened because technology hasn’t made time travel possible.

Actually the flood account might have been believable even as recently as 250 years ago, it was not probable even then. Believing in a word wide flood today it is simply silly, there has never been a world wide flood.

If something like that had happened, we most certainly could prove it. There would be evidence in geology, biology and in particular, genetics.

Others I am sure will deal with the geological evidence, but let me deal with the genetic, since it sounds an absolute death knell for the Biblical Flood Myth.

If the Biblical Flood had happened, there would have been a bottleneck event in EVERY species of living critter and all pointing to exactly the same period and also that bottleneck even would be almost yesterday as gentic time goes.

Well, the geneticists can see bottle neck events in some species, but they are all at different times and most are tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the past.

The genetic information shows that there has not been a single unique bottleneck event affecting all species.

The Flood never happened. Period.


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Message 132 of 372 (418272)
08-27-2007 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Refpunk
08-27-2007 9:44 AM


On irrelevant strawmen
Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is?

Even though that is a totally irrelevant question when considering the Great Wetting that Never Happened, it is reasonable that no such tales exist.

Floods are a pretty common occurrence, they happen repeatedly and continue happening even today. Any "Cavemen" ancestors (and caveman i just a silly name suitable only for cartoons) lived many tens of thousands of years before modern language and writing methods were developed. The reason we don't have such tales is just time and the fact that humans evolved and went on to write stories about more exciting things.

The fact is, there never was a worldwide flood. It just plain never happened.


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Message 140 of 372 (418479)
08-28-2007 11:49 AM
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08-28-2007 10:42 AM


A reminder.
Since the whole goal of evolutionists is to deny God, then they don't even CONSIDER other more rational alternatives to what those skulls and bones could be.

Since you were shown before that the above is a false and untrue statement, yet continue to repeat it, it becomes necessary to remind you of the TRUTH, HONESTY and FACTS.

Evolution, the Theory of Evolution and evolutionists do not have a goal of denying God.

I am a Christian, who very strongly believes in God and that God is the Creator of all that is, seen and unseen. I fully accept evolution.

I also provide a link for you, and will do so again, to the Clergy Project Letter which has been signed and endorsed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy.

It says in part:

We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.

What you are doing is deliberately embracing ignorance. You are committing an act of Hubris,

Now you have been shown that your assertion is false, proof has been provided. You can continue to embrace ignorance but if you repeat the assertion that "...the whole goal of evolutionists is to deny God..." then there is no other possible explanation then that you are being willfully ignorant, that you are delusional or that you are lying.

I will watch to see if you learn.


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Message 145 of 372 (418503)
08-28-2007 2:44 PM
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08-28-2007 1:39 PM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
I've already explained the sedimentary rock layers all over the world which indicates a global flood.

Uh, no, you have not.

If you like I would be happy to walk through some examples with you and let you explain your model.

In fact, some scientists have tried to explain that by saying there was a giant tsunami that once covered the whole earth.

I'm sorry but until you can provide links to support such an assertion you have nothing.

Are you willing to actually try to defend the Flood model?


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Message 156 of 372 (418554)
08-28-2007 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by molbiogirl
08-28-2007 10:47 PM


Med tsunami
If so, the important point is that they cannot find the evidence for it on land, so not only did it not "cover the earth", it did not even effect as far inland as today's coastline.


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Message 173 of 372 (418714)
08-29-2007 11:13 PM
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08-29-2007 11:01 PM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the Great Wetting that Never Happened.

Would you be interested in walking through some real life examples and explaining how the "Flood model" might explain them?


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Message 180 of 372 (418948)
08-31-2007 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Refpunk
08-31-2007 9:33 AM


Now you dun it Willis.
So it appears that atheists are in the habit of denying and making up their own history rather than confirming it in order to deny God. But since the truth never contradicts itself, then atheists paint themselves into a corner, as usual.

The first time you made such an assertion it was assumed that you were simply ignorant of the fact that Christians know there was never a Flood and that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of the life we see.

The second time you made a similar false assertion it was just assumed you are a slow learner.

But now you bring it up yet again.

The fact that there was never a Flood has nothing to do with denying God or Christianity.

If you honestly think there was a Flood, I have offered to walk through what is seen and let you show how some Flood model can explain it. The conventional model does just that, it explains what is seen. If you expect anyone to see the Flood model as anything other than a joke, it will be necessary for the Flood model to explain what exists as well or better than the Conventional model.


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Message 215 of 372 (421641)
09-13-2007 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by bdfoster
09-13-2007 1:22 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
The only problem is cramming all of geologic history, all the tectonic movement on every fault in the world, into the flood year.

Question for the geologist.

If we raise Mt. Everest in one year, what would the composition of the rock look like? How much internal heat would be generated within the structure itself and what would the resulting material look like?


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