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Repzion
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Message 1 of 372 (411027)
07-18-2007 2:59 PM


Hey, i'm new here and tried posting. It said i needs to be approved. So here it is. Just let me know, if i should change anything.

Was there a worldwide Flood?

The food accounts: There is plenty of evidence that the flood happened just like the Bible says. In fact, more than 200 ancient and present civilizations have reported different cultural accounts of a worldwide flood. Before I show you some of these accounts, let’s review what the Bible says about the Flood.

And the rain came tumbling down.

Long ago, the world became so evil God decided to destroy it with a worldwide flood. He gave a man named Noah special instructions to build an ark to save himself and his family. It took Noah 120 years to build the ark. When the job was completed, Noah and his family went inside the ark and took male and female of every living creature (Genesis 7:1-5). Then God shut them in the ark (7:16) and caused rain from the sky and water from underground to flood the whole planet. Everyone and everything died except Noah and his family and the animals in the ark (Genesis 7:11,21-23). More than one year after the Flood began, the earth was dry and Noah, his family and the animals were able to leave the ark.

What Evidence? Although the flood account is believable, no one can prove it happened because technology hasn’t made time travel possible. But, you know, we don’t need to see the Flood with our own eyes to believe it happened. We have plenty of historical and geological evidence.

Evidence among Different cultures.
Various versions of the Flood account exist among many cultures some of the most detailed being Sumerian and Babylonian. The oldest flood account, dating before 2,000 B.C., has been found in Sumerian tablets near the Euphrates River. Another amazing flood account, found in the 11th book of the Gilgamesh Epic among Babylonian cuneiform writings, provides one of the strongest evidences, apart from the bible, for the Flood. Here are other amazing accounts.

1. China: Fah-he escaped a great flood with his wife as well as his three songs and three daughters.
2. New Guinea: The Lizard man sent a great flood that killed everyone except two brothers, who escaped on a raft.
3. American Athapaskan Indians: Nagaitche survived a flood by riding on a mythological figure called Earth.
4. Peru: A great flood destroyed all humans except six, who escaped on a raft.
5. Alaska: A man, his family, and talking animals survived a flood on a raft. After the flood, the animals, who complained about the long trip on the raft, lost their ability to speak.

Evidence from geology.

Naturally, the only true flood account is recorded in the Bible. Yet, legends among different cultures worldwide provide convincing evidence that there was some kids of accident flood. But legends passed down from generation to generation aren’t as convincing as evidence we can see.

1. Bone Beds
Geologist have discovered large ossiferous fissures ( cracks in the earth caused by earthquakes or other violent changes to the earth’s surface) in England, France, Russia, southern Spain and Germany. Inside these fissures, geologists have found bones of elephants, rhinoceroses, reindeer, pigs, horses, hippopotamuses and oxen. These “bone beds” do not contain skeletons, but bones thrown together. Geologists have discovered one bone bed in Nebraska that they believe contains about 9,000 animals.
What could have cause animals to be ripped apart, thrown together, and buried? One logical explanation is the violent changes in the earth’s surface caused by the Flood.

2. Inland Bodies of Water
According to research, large inland seas once existed on every continent of the world. But since the Flood, some of these bodies of water have completely dried up, becoming what geologists call “ fossil lakes.” The great Gobi Desert in China, for example, was once a sea about as large as the Mediterranean. A lake that geologists call Lake Algonquin once filled the region of the Great Lakes, 26 feet higher than the lakes there today. Lake Bonneville, the size of Lake Michigan, once filled the valley of Salt Lake in Utah. What caused these great inland seas and lakes? Naturally, these inland seas and lakes may have existed for other reasons. But the Flood is a logical explanation.

3. Coal Beds and Oil Fields
Some people believe the large supply of our planet’s coal and oil is the result of billons of years of natural development within the earth. Those who don’t believe the earth is that old take another position. The flood could have buried large amounts of animal and vegetable life, providing our planet’s rich supply of coal and oil.

4. Mammoth Bodies Found in Siberia
Mammoths are extinct members of the elephant family that lived in North America, Europe and Asia. Geologists have discovered 2,000 miles of Siberian countryside filled with literally thousands of mammoth skeletons and carcasses. Some mammoths were found standing upright as they would have walked on the earth. Geologists believe that up to five million mammoths were suddenly frozen alive by unusual changes in the earth’s climate. What killed so many mammoths so quickly? The best explanation is worldwide flood followed by devastating changes in the earth’s climate. Northern areas of the world, once able to sustain life, became arctic, freezing countless mammoths in time.

Well that’s my 2.0

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Repzion
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Message 9 of 372 (411099)
07-18-2007 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chiroptera
07-18-2007 5:12 PM


Um, I don't see a quote option anywere?

"Actually, the mammoth story isn't true."

Actually it is.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/baby-mammoth-corpse-found-in-siberia/20070711101609990002

I'll try to respond to your guys questions, and arugments tomorrow, I have to go to work for my family. And as for my age..Yes i'm young I'm age 15.

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Repzion
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Message 11 of 372 (411107)
07-18-2007 11:27 PM
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07-18-2007 10:29 PM


So your saying because its eye and tail were bitten off, it couldn't of been suddenly frozen?

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Repzion
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Message 17 of 372 (411120)
07-19-2007 12:29 AM


I believe the earth is between 6,000-12,000 years old. As for the 1000 mammoths thing. I did some researching, I was wrong about the 1000 mammoths. Piece of bad information. Anyways Question. If there wasn't a flood, how do you explain Dinosaur fossils found on Mt. Everest.
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Repzion
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Message 19 of 372 (411122)
07-19-2007 12:35 AM


"weren't these mammoths supposed to have been drowned in a big flood and buried with all those dinosaurs before they had a chance to be frozen in the big post-flood climate change?"

Yes.


  
Repzion
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Message 20 of 372 (411124)
07-19-2007 12:37 AM


If there was no flood, explain how bones were found on top of Mt. Everest.

I keep hearing people say " A flood never happened" Well instead of asking me to keep giving information, how about you give me information on how a flood did not happen?


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Repzion
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Message 34 of 372 (411210)
07-19-2007 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nuggin
07-19-2007 12:30 PM


Re: One little piece...
"Another side effect is called uplift." Please....

It does seem that the mountain might
have once been under water. But a different story seems far closer to
the truth, a story based on careful study of the way the Earth is now,
combined with study of how materials behave. After all, what is
science about? Many tens of millions of years ago, there were once
some continental shelves, much like those of today. Sediment piled
onto them, as sediment does today. Fish lived and died, and got buried
in the sediment, just like today. As sediment accumulated on top, the
lower sediment got heated and compressed, and was turned into rock.
What next? Continental drift, with some crust plates running into each
other. This sediment got squeezed between two continents, or was
lifted up as an ocean plate was forced downward (both processes
happen), than the fish or any other type fossils get carried with the rock to highaltitudes. Thus, fish fossils in high mountains.....

Seriously... Anyways, explain uplift. I'd love to hear how fossils end up on mountians. In your point of view.


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Repzion
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Message 35 of 372 (411211)
07-19-2007 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nuggin
07-19-2007 12:30 PM


Re: One little piece...
"Another side effect is called uplift." Please....

It does seem that the mountain might
have once been under water. But a different story seems far closer to
the truth, a story based on careful study of the way the Earth is now,
combined with study of how materials behave. After all, what is
science about? Many tens of millions of years ago, there were once
some continental shelves, much like those of today. Sediment piled
onto them, as sediment does today. Fish lived and died, and got buried
in the sediment, just like today. As sediment accumulated on top, the
lower sediment got heated and compressed, and was turned into rock.
What next? Continental drift, with some crust plates running into each
other. This sediment got squeezed between two continents, or was
lifted up as an ocean plate was forced downward (both processes
happen), than the fish or any other type fossils get carried with the rock to highaltitudes. Thus, fish fossils in high mountains.....

Seriously... Anyways, explain uplift. I'd love to hear how fossils end up on mountians. In your point of view.


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Repzion
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Message 47 of 372 (411303)
07-19-2007 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by anglagard
07-19-2007 10:49 PM


Re: Please Explain the Following Evidence From Geology
At least try to use your own words, instead of using some one elses ideas. All of what you said was copied.. http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/2824471/0/0/3019193#ID3019193
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Repzion
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Message 53 of 372 (411400)
07-20-2007 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by anglagard
07-19-2007 10:49 PM


Re: Please Explain the Following Evidence From Geology
"River meanders – River meanders incised in rock can only be caused by gradual uplift" Can only??? Lets see here. Lets looks at Palouse Falls. Here is a link of what it looks like. Theres lots more if you look them up on google.

http://perljam.net/motorcycle/cts2006/med/palouse-falls-pano-2-cropped.jpg

http://www.alanbauer.com/images/Desert/Palouse...

http://www.nwcreation.net/articles/images/evidenceoftheflood/...

Palouse Falls. If you go and turn east onto Highway 26 at Washtucna, you would soon be driving alongside the Palouse River. The Palouse River flows out of Idaho, passes through the towns of Palouse and Colfax, and meanders through the Palouse Hills. It forms a part of the border between Whitman and Adams Counties. Then, about 3½ miles east of Washtucna, at the very eastern border of Franklin County, this lazy, meandering river makes a sharp turn southward and flows in a straight line over rapids and falls for four miles. Then it makes a 185-foot plunge over Palouse Falls.7 Here the basalt walls are vertical cliffs. You can clearly see the various layers of basalt, with their colonnades and entablatures.
When I see a sudden change in the earth's features, I like to ask why. Why did a lazy, meandering river suddenly become a rushing rapids flowing as straight as a stick for four miles? And what made that river suddenly fall 185 feet, then again meander calmly down to the Snake River? ( Doesn't sound like uplift to me, taking billions of year to create such a fascinating site )

The basalt cliffs near Palouse Falls have a curious tendency to make sharp, 90° turns. There is a deep canyon that cuts a perpendicular line across the river gorge just south of the falls. What geologic force has cut those canyons so straight and at such remarkable angles? And straight 4 mile lines?

Erratics. You've all haerd of Basin City right? Well it is built on gravel beds. Some local farmers sometimes find huge boulders in their fields - not just the basalt rock that we would expect in this area, but granite and metamorphic rock as well. These unusual rocks must have come from far away in the mountains. Geologists can trace them to their source in the Okanogan Highlands or even the Rocky Mountains. Since these rocks are out of place here in the Pasco Basin, they are called erratics. How did such large boulders move here from so far away? It doesn't sound like uplift to me.

http://home.rochester.rr.com/srinz/bigrocks.html

Okay, that's all I have so far =) I might be only 15, but I don't give yup that easy

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Repzion
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Message 64 of 372 (411451)
07-20-2007 5:13 PM


"
Sounds familiar
"

I know. I provided the link. That was the point.

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Repzion
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Message 89 of 372 (411686)
07-21-2007 9:11 PM


Here's more Stuff.
This has been really intresting debate guys! I've learned a lot so far. Anyways, if you would be so kind is to read both of these links I provided. ( Considering I've read everyone's links they provided me, I'd be happy if you do the same for me ) I see evidence for a worldwide flood in these links. Also, the last link is a 100 Evidence for a Global Flood. Read the first link before you read the last one. If you see any problems in these links, quote em! I'd be happy to see what's wrong with them. Most likely you'll find somthing ;)

http://www.calvaryag.org/apologetics/apologetics_11-evidence_flood.htm

http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm


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Repzion
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Message 95 of 372 (411704)
07-22-2007 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by iceage
07-21-2007 10:27 PM


Re: Here's more Stuff.
Which provides the answer that is opposite of the uninformed conclusion that they are trying lead people to! This is not only willful ignorance but willful deceit.

Can you prove its deceit? Trust me i've been searching.

At 5 mm per year would take around 15 million years for Everest to gain its height. Assuming that half of this is eroded each year that is 30 millions years - a trifling in geological terms.

Why couldn't it take thousands Such as 6,000- 12,000?

I'm just curious. Agr, I'll be back on friday... I'm going to camp tomorrow.

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Repzion
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Message 96 of 372 (411705)
07-22-2007 12:19 AM


and bald face lies.

You guys keep saying everything I present are lies. I'd like to see them as lies, but you haven't shown me that they're all wrong yet.
I don't mind ya guys bashing me down, its I just want to see evidence that shows, that it is ALL wrong. Instead of just saying, I'm WRONG. You don't see me telling you guys, " Your dead wrong " Do you? I want to learn, and listen. I don't want to listen to people who say " Your wrong " " The flood is silly" " Your arrogant for beliving such a thing" Anyways, I need to get to bed.

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Repzion
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Message 112 of 372 (411824)
07-22-2007 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by bluegenes
07-22-2007 5:36 PM


Okay, I seriously have to leave for camp in like 5 mins. I'll try to make this quick. Just a thing I wanted to throw out, how would plants, lichens, insects, and fungi survived this catastrophic event the flood.

Very simple. The ark had to transport only land animals, so thate mammals birds, and reptiles were essentially all that would have needed accommodations. Such as for, Noah didn't have to take sea creatures because they would not necessarily be threatened with extinction by a flood. I do see that turbulent water would cause massive carnage and destruction, as we've seen in the fossil record, and that the many oceanic, species probaly would have become extinct because of the Flood. Noah didn't need to take plants either, many could have survived as seeds, and others could have survived on floating mats of vegetation. A lot of the other insects and other invertebrates were small enough to have survived on these mats as well.


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