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Author Topic:   Was there a worldwide flood?
EighteenDelta
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Message 126 of 372 (416749)
08-17-2007 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
07-18-2007 8:40 PM


Re: here we go again ...
I think this illustrates the plagerisms in the old testament pretty well.

http://www.noahs-ark-flood.com/parallels.htm

The texts in question often predate any biblical texts, for example the Gilgamesh epic was recorded no later than the 3rd millennium BC, significantly predating any copies of the genesis version.

The simple 'reason' for the unsubstantiated claim of 200+ global stories of the deluge is simple cultural theft.


Idiots speak louder than words

(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)


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EighteenDelta
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Message 127 of 372 (416755)
08-17-2007 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by bluegenes
07-22-2007 9:25 PM


I think you grossly under estimate the amount of food and fodder, not to mention water that would be required. I think the history of military logistics proves that point fairly well. Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army is an excellent resource in this area. For example a horse eats a mixture of 20 kg or feed and fodder a day with about 10 kg of water. I think your figures are under by orders of magnitude even. This is even assuming one could store such quantities of required resources. Ask any farmer what happens to wet hay after a matter of weeks.


Idiots speak louder than words

(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)


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EighteenDelta
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Message 201 of 372 (420936)
09-10-2007 11:14 AM


Where is the water?
I haven't seen the issue of water addressed in a convincing manner yet. Those who adhere to the Global Flood myth, please address this if you would. I don't even care to address the question of where it came from but when the flood waters receded, where did they go? The latest figures I have heard that would be required to inundate the entire world and submerge the continents is about 5 times the current global supplies including icecaps, glaciers, subterranean, oceans, lakes, and atmospheric water vapor.

I think this is a valid question and not off topic since the OP is not really a very coherently stated and narrow subject. I don't think the idea of a global flood is possible without addressing this one glaring problem.


"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. Q.E.D."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.


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EighteenDelta
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Message 208 of 372 (421619)
09-13-2007 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by bluegenes
09-11-2007 11:25 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
If this simple question cannot be answered then I guess the simplest answer would have to be 'no' there was never a worldwide flood. Was the Earth flat in the time of Noah, because then I guess the simplest answer would be that the ancients realized it could have just washed over the edges of the world and into the void.

While I am sorry for your suspension, at least thank you for acknowledging my question which seems to have been totally ignored by the target audience. I imagine it will remain ignored since it is not rationally explainable anyways.

Is this a topic suited to it's own thread or part of another thread admins?


"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact — which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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EighteenDelta
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Message 211 of 372 (421631)
09-13-2007 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by RAZD
09-13-2007 12:39 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
Would you be so kind as to link to said 'solution'? Perhaps when Vash and Rob return they can address this, though the question was up for a while before the most recent suspension of Vash (HEWG).

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EighteenDelta
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Message 225 of 372 (421794)
09-14-2007 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by RAZD
09-13-2007 7:23 PM


Re: The fluxed gravity flood theory
So far RAZD is the only one to even offer an explanation, none of our resident believers have stepped up. Obviously we will have difficulty discussing the flood geology myth if it remains one sided. Rob is back, yet he has failed to defend his belief, I do hope he can find the time to come and enlighten us.


"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact — which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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